Tacenda Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Thanks for the heads up. You're welcome! Just saw that it will be streamed live at 11:00 a.m. on KUTV according to this article. http://kutv.com/news/local/lawsuit-former-mtc-president-had-history-of-allegations
rongo Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, LoudmouthMormon said: Ok. Time to go on record here. I was some random mormon in Colorado, who had a bit of information. The information was about another mormon in Utah, who had sexually abused a young girl. I sent my information to the guy's bishop and stake president, and asked to know the outcome. They excommunicated him, and let me know the outcome. I figure there are probably far more stories like mine, than what we keep seeing in the news. Stories like mine don't make the news. "Church does right, protects flock" just isn't headline material. 25 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said: Any speculations as to why Bishop has never received any church discipline? I agree with LoudmouthMormon --- especially in decades following the 1980s. To answer phaedrus ut's question, I think it's clear that Bishop enjoyed protection from the good ol' boy network of the time and wasn't disciplined for things anyone else would have been (or at least, wouldn't have been called to positions afterwards). There is no good spin on this, and it is not the Church's finest hour --- in how it has handled it over the years, and in how it has handled the changing official statements and the settlement/defense of the lawsuit. 2
Tacenda Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Duncan said: he's 90 or 91, they better act quick! I really wonder about the first bishop in 87' that she told after her mission, I think it was 87'. I wish he had just met with the SP and then figured out a way to get down to the bottom of her story and find out if it was true or not. Instead of just writing her off like that. I hope I would have done the same in his position. But sometimes people that know someone with Bishop's credentials or someone that has had his positions in the church, how easily it would be to want to protect him. I hope I would have been better than that.
phaedrus ut Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, rongo said: I agree with LoudmouthMormon --- especially in decades following the 1980s. To answer phaedrus ut's question, I think it's clear that Bishop enjoyed protection from the good ol' boy network of the time and wasn't disciplined for things anyone else would have been (or at least, wouldn't have been called to positions afterwards). There is no good spin on this, and it is not the Church's finest hour --- in how it has handled it over the years, and in how it has handled the changing official statements and the settlement/defense of the lawsuit. Today's news coverage of the story contains some other damaging details Quote The suit claims, “Bishop met with Elder Robert E. Wells and disclosed to Elder Wells every indiscretion, sin, or other misdeed that had occurred up to that point in his life, including his sexual addiction and previous instances of sexual predation against women.” Denson claims, Wells gave Bishop a blessing and following this disclosure to Wells, there is no indication that the Church took any action to investigate these possible crimes or investigate whether, under its own internal policies, Bishop would be subject to Church discipline. Any of these actions could have alerted Denson and other vulnerable women to Bishop’s dangerous propensities,” the suit claims. Lawyers for Denson claim the church was aware of these allegations but yet Bishop still received a calling to head the MTC where he allegedly raped Denson in a small room in the basement of the building. 1
Jeanne Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Don't shoot me. I want to see this all go to a court and jury...everything out in the open..and line by line documentaries in newspapers and TV.
rongo Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said: Today's news coverage of the story contains some other damaging details Well, it contains other damaging allegations. I don't know that it will be possible to determine whether it is true that “Bishop met with Elder Robert E. Wells and disclosed to Elder Wells every indiscretion, sin, or other misdeed that had occurred up to that point in his life, including his sexual addiction and previous instances of sexual predation against women.” Without Elder Wells' testimony, this is just hearsay. 2
Jeanne Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, rongo said: Well, it contains other damaging allegations. I don't know that it will be possible to determine whether it is true that “Bishop met with Elder Robert E. Wells and disclosed to Elder Wells every indiscretion, sin, or other misdeed that had occurred up to that point in his life, including his sexual addiction and previous instances of sexual predation against women.” Without Elder Wells' testimony, this is just hearsay. Just pull out his church file and gees...use his personal info to defend or defame.
Duncan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, rongo said: Well, it contains other damaging allegations. I don't know that it will be possible to determine whether it is true that “Bishop met with Elder Robert E. Wells and disclosed to Elder Wells every indiscretion, sin, or other misdeed that had occurred up to that point in his life, including his sexual addiction and previous instances of sexual predation against women.” Without Elder Wells' testimony, this is just hearsay. or privileged information and even if they get Wells on the stand could he even tell what Bishop told him?
changed Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 This is quite a scary list to read through: http://www.mormonstories.org/stories-about-child-sexual-abuse-in-the-lds-church/ ...
rongo Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, Duncan said: or privileged information and even if they get Wells on the stand could he even tell what Bishop told him? The Church will never let that happen. Not only out of self-preservation, but because the Church *really* holds confessional confidentiality to be important (I have had many hotline conversations about this) and does not want to give any precedent or pretext for eroding this. Completely separate from the legal defense wisdom of invoking it. 1
Tacenda Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Don't shoot me. I want to see this all go to a court and jury...everything out in the open..and line by line documentaries in newspapers and TV. I guess it's only online. http://kutv.com/watch
Jeanne Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Thanks Tacenda..I am hoping later there is CC to this..my headphones broke...duh...hopefully all of you can in your posts give me a better clue as to what is being discussed and what it means..thank you so much..at least I have this link and I am able to read lips pretty well. Hugs..Jeanne
Duncan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I guess it's only online. http://kutv.com/watch I 'm watching it now! eating McDonalds, I feel very American of the US variety! 2
Jeanne Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Duncan said: I 'm watching it now! eating McDonalds, I feel very American of the US variety! Let me know the highlights..hopefully this will be on the news later...! BTW: What is your favorite McDonalds Meal?? I only like their fries. Edited April 5, 2018 by Jeanne
Duncan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Jeanne said: Let me know the highlights..hopefully this will be on the news later...! BTW: What is your favorite McDonalds Meal?? I only like their fries. I like their BLT's, my FAVE was the Arch Delux and back in the day their pizza! 2
Jeanne Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Duncan said: I like their BLT's, my FAVE was the Arch Delux and back in the day their pizza! I am more of an Artic Circle person...but I do like McDonald's fish sandwiches...lots of tarter for the fries too. I am a weird lady..I used to dip my fries in ice cream cones...so good!! Do you have Carl Jrs or Wendy's??? Order the no 2 in both places...you will die...a happy man!! 1
Duncan Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jeanne said: I am more of an Artic Circle person...but I do like McDonald's fish sandwiches...lots of tarter for the fries too. I am a weird lady..I used to dip my fries in ice cream cones...so good!! Do you have Carl Jrs or Wendy's??? Order the no 2 in both places...you will die...a happy man!! Carls' Jr. is certain location but LOVE Wendy's!!!!!!! a bit pricy but it's good! 1
JulieM Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I guess it's only online. http://kutv.com/watch I’m watching it. She’s very well spoken (imo). This is pretty amazing to watch.
Tacenda Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Finally, Mckenna mentions that Bishop didn't ask her to expose her breasts it was another victim. I kept thinking this since day one. And in the press conference the lawyer expressed the importance of listening to the audio not just reading the transcript. For those that keep saying they're not interested to listen.
JulieM Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 She has very positive things to say about her experience with the BYU police! That was great to hear. 1
Jeanne Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, Tacenda said: Finally, Mckenna mentions that Bishop didn't ask her to expose her breasts it was another victim. I kept thinking this since day one. And in the press conference the lawyer expressed the importance of listening to the audio not just reading the transcript. For those that keep saying they're not interested to listen. There is a transcript???
CV75 Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Duncan said: or privileged information and even if they get Wells on the stand could he even tell what Bishop told him? 2
Tacenda Posted April 5, 2018 Posted April 5, 2018 28 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Thanks Tacenda..I am hoping later there is CC to this..my headphones broke...duh...hopefully all of you can in your posts give me a better clue as to what is being discussed and what it means..thank you so much..at least I have this link and I am able to read lips pretty well. Hugs..Jeanne I thought of you not being able to hear this Jeanne. During the press conference the video isn't aligned right at all, hopefully they'll post a transcript.Because of my short term memory problems, I'm not that great of repeating most of what I'm hearing.
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