Conference Surprises

[e-eye]

1 hour ago, snowflake said:

Are you suggesting that the Lord Jesus appeared to the "LDS apostles" and said....as part of the restoration i want you to combine the two quorms together into one group....and also,  thus saith the lord.....no more home teaching.......? 

The NT apostles were direct witnesses of Jesus, are you suggesting your apostles are on equal ground? 

Revelation comes in different forms.  In this case, the changes were discussed for some time before moving forward.  (We don't know how long that time was)  We do know that before things are done, like this, all of the apostles/prophets are in accordance.

As for the equal ground part - yes, I do. They are special witnesses.  The LDS history starts off with Joseph Smith being visited by God The Father & His Son, Jesus Christ.  

Edited April 4, 2018 by e-eye

[JAHS]

On 4/4/2018 at 10:29 AM, snowflake said:

Are you suggesting that the Lord Jesus appeared to the "LDS apostles" and said....as part of the restoration i want you to combine the two quorms together into one group....and also,  thus saith the lord.....no more home teaching.......? 

The NT apostles were direct witnesses of Jesus, are you suggesting your apostles are on equal ground? 

The Lord may have appeared to some of our Apostles; we don't know. There are some past records of that happening.
Such a thing happening today would be a very personal experience that would not be shared with the world to be mocked at.
Any man who has been called of God to be an Apostle is considered a witness of Jesus, whether they have actually seen him or not. 

[CMZ]

Interestingly, an apostle spoke on Sunday about being visited by the Savior.

[CMZ]

On 4/4/2018 at 10:29 AM, snowflake said:

Are you suggesting that the Lord Jesus appeared to the "LDS apostles" and said....as part of the restoration i want you to combine the two quorms together into one group....and also,  thus saith the lord.....no more home teaching.......? 

The NT apostles were direct witnesses of Jesus, are you suggesting your apostles are on equal ground? 

There are very good answers to these questions, although I am not sure I can answer it all here. A good answer to your first question was given in the last LDS general conference less than a week ago.

[Avatar4321]

On 4/1/2018 at 10:30 PM, JAHS said:

Yes. With there being a moratorium on proselyting activities I would think that it would not be the right time to consider it yet.
But there are 23,000 members who would benefit from it now.
 

I don’t believe we were proselytizing in east Germany when we built the temple there.

 

[Avatar4321]

On 4/2/2018 at 1:36 AM, The Nehor said:

That was a good conference. I am not usually a cryer but I found tears in my eyes twice throughout the meetings. Unless it was the allergies.....but I doubt that.  

I was listening to Elder Holland’s talk again and ended up crying. 

I wonder how much of a man I am until I remember that Jesus wept too:)

[Avatar4321]

On 4/4/2018 at 12:29 PM, snowflake said:

Are you suggesting that the Lord Jesus appeared to the "LDS apostles" and said....as part of the restoration i want you to combine the two quorms together into one group....and also,  thus saith the lord.....no more home teaching.......? 

The NT apostles were direct witnesses of Jesus, are you suggesting your apostles are on equal ground? 

1) yes the apostles are witnesses is Jesus Christ

2) it’s possible that Jesus appeared to them to direct these changes but I suspect it was direction though the Holy Spirit which is how we usually receive instruction 

[Duncan]

12 hours ago, CMZ said:

Interestingly, an apostle spoke on Sunday about being visited by the Savior.

which one? is Pres. Eyring and the Tomb? or did I miss it

[cinepro]

26 minutes ago, Duncan said:

which one? is Pres. Eyring and the Tomb? or did I miss it

I suspect he didn't say exactly who it was because it was worded in such a way that he didn't actually say it, but members can think he said it if they want to.

[Avatar4321]

44 minutes ago, cinepro said:

I suspect he didn't say exactly who it was because it was worded in such a way that he didn't actually say it, but members can think he said it if they want to.

Seems pretty clear to me

[JAHS]

43 minutes ago, cinepro said:

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

which one? is Pres. Eyring and the Tomb? or did I miss it

I suspect he didn't say exactly who it was because it was worded in such a way that he didn't actually say it, but members can think he said it if they want to.

 

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

13 hours ago, CMZ said:

Interestingly, an apostle spoke on Sunday about being visited by the Savior.

which one? is Pres. Eyring and the Tomb? or did I miss it

Here's what Pres Eyring said:

"I once stood with my wife outside a tomb in Jerusalem. Many believe that it was the tomb from which the crucified Savior emerged as a resurrected and living God.
The respectful guide that day motioned with his hand and said to us, “Come, see an empty tomb.”
We stooped to enter. We saw a stone bench against a wall. But into my mind came another picture, as real as what we saw that day. It was of Mary, who was left by the Apostles at the tomb. That is what the Spirit let me see and even hear in my mind, as clearly as if I had been there: 
“But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

So, I wouldn't call it a vision, but rather a thought that entered his mind.

 

[Avatar4321]

15 minutes ago, JAHS said:

 

Here's what Pres Eyring said:

"I once stood with my wife outside a tomb in Jerusalem. Many believe that it was the tomb from which the crucified Savior emerged as a resurrected and living God.
The respectful guide that day motioned with his hand and said to us, “Come, see an empty tomb.”
We stooped to enter. We saw a stone bench against a wall. But into my mind came another picture, as real as what we saw that day. It was of Mary, who was left by the Apostles at the tomb. That is what the Spirit let me see and even hear in my mind, as clearly as if I had been there: 
“But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

So, I wouldn't call it a vision, but rather a thought that entered his mind.

 

That is pretty clear. But it’s not the one I was referring to.

I don’t think I should say who said it or when it was said. But I encourage everyone is furious to go through each of the talks by the 1st presidency & twelve. If you diligently search you’ll find it

[JAHS]

1 hour ago, Avatar4321 said:

That is pretty clear. But it’s not the one I was referring to.

Yeah, I just provided it because it was what Duncan and another was referring to earlier. 

[CMZ]

President Nelson said to study the messages from this conference frequently - even repeatedly - throughout the next six months.

[theplains]

On 02/04/2018 at 10:08 AM, snowflake said:

Now do you really consider these "revelations"? Or are they more like "the minutes from the business meeting".....which would be a far more accurate description in my opinion. Or "announcements and proposals"....I just don't consider any of the highlights above, as divinely inspired. 

Maybe everything said at General Conference should be considered as 'revelation' to make it appear divinely inspired.

"Yet to be determined in Russia" gives them a time allowance so it cannot be proven false if it doesn't happen in your
lifetime.  They will only announce said 'revelation' when it is 100% guaranteed/allowed by Russia.  And if Russia reneges
on their agreement, another revelation will be forthcoming.

Jim

[Avatar4321]

9 hours ago, theplains said:

Maybe everything said at General Conference should be considered as 'revelation' to make it appear divinely inspired.

"Yet to be determined in Russia" gives them a time allowance so it cannot be proven false if it doesn't happen in your
lifetime.  They will only announce said 'revelation' when it is 100% guaranteed/allowed by Russia.  And if Russia reneges
on their agreement, another revelation will be forthcoming.

Jim

There will be a Temple in Russia sooner than you think

[JAHS]

9 hours ago, theplains said:

Maybe everything said at General Conference should be considered as 'revelation' to make it appear divinely inspired.

"Yet to be determined in Russia" gives them a time allowance so it cannot be proven false if it doesn't happen in your
lifetime.  They will only announce said 'revelation' when it is 100% guaranteed/allowed by Russia.  And if Russia reneges
on their agreement, another revelation will be forthcoming.

Jim

This was not really a "revelation" in the scriptural sense of the word it was simply an announcement they shared with the membership.
They would not have said it if it wasn't going to happen. They most likely have gotten the OK from Russia to build one there; they just need to find a place.

[SJR3t2]

On ‎2018‎-‎04‎-‎01 at 8:12 PM, JAHS said:

I put together a small montage of some of the surprising revelations from General Conference.

 

If these were revelations from God where can I read God's actual words that were spoken?

 D&C 72:21 That the revelations may be published, and go forth unto the ends of the earth; …

[Marginal Gains]

On 4/2/2018 at 12:53 AM, Prof said:

Thanks for posting this.

Surprised indeed! I didn't think I'd see a temple in Russia in my lifetime.

What makes you think you will see a temple in Russia in your lifetime?

[Marginal Gains]

On 4/16/2018 at 3:05 AM, JAHS said:

This was not really a "revelation" in the scriptural sense of the word it was simply an announcement they shared with the membership.

What is the difference between a “revelation” and an “announcement”?

[JAHS]

33 minutes ago, SJR3t2 said:

If these were revelations from God where can I read God's actual words that were spoken?

 D&C 72:21 That the revelations may be published, and go forth unto the ends of the earth; …

I didn't mean revelations in the scriptural sense; I meant that some news was being revealed to the membership.

[SJR3t2]

3 minutes ago, JAHS said:

I didn't mean revelations in the scriptural sense; I meant that some news was being revealed to the membership.

ah okay, thanks for clearing that up, most of the time when people say revelation they mean from God.

[JAHS]

6 minutes ago, Marginal Gains said:

What is the difference between a “revelation” and an “announcement”?

A revelation is when God communicates to his prophet about some new doctrine or thing He wants the prophet or the church to do and it is sometimes recorded as scripture such as in the Doctrine and Covenants, but it doesn't always have to be recorded as scripture. 
An announcement is just letting the church members know something new is happening like where new temples are going to be being built.
Some revelation from God to His prophets probably did happen to help him decide where to build temples or to change programs in the church.

[SJR3t2]

2 Nephi 29:11 For I COMMAND ALL MEN, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, THAT THEY SHALL WRITE THE WORDS WHICH I SPEAK UNTO THEM; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.

[Prof]

3 hours ago, Marginal Gains said:

What makes you think you will see a temple in Russia in your lifetime?

Good point. To be more precise, I never thought I would see a temple announced for Russia.

Given that they clearly hadn't work out the details, and all of the corruption in that country, the deal may well fall through.