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Council to Quorum change?


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9 hours ago, strappinglad said:

Could it be that for the first few years there was only one " High Council " in the Church ? You are aware that once a tradition starts in this Church it takes a REALLY long time to make any changes ! :blink:

i'm aware!

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10 hours ago, strappinglad said:

Could it be that for the first few years there was only one " High Council " in the Church ? You are aware that once a tradition starts in this Church it takes a REALLY long time to make any changes ! :blink:

We are working on letting women speak in church! One thing at a time!

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On 2/15/2018 at 9:57 PM, Duncan said:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865695985/Presidents-Benson-Faust-and-Packer-along-with-Elders-Perry-and-Haight-reflect-on-calls-as-apostles.html

 

According to this article the name of the Council of the Twelve was changed to Quorum of the Twelve, Does anyone know when or why they did that? I've never noticed a change until now of course

I can’t pinpoint the date, but I’m thinking it has been 10 years or better. You would have noticed had you been alert to Church publications, introduction of conference speakers, etc. 

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Good question.

Trying to find the answer is leading me to other questions. I'm finding things about  how seniority has been changed. I found that one apostle was called and either the church did not vote/sustain him or that he,was removed from office because he didn't agree with everyone else that you should get first presidency approval before running for office.

Has anyone written a reputable book or paper that talks about these kind of things?

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4 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I can’t pinpoint the date, but I’m thinking it has been 10 years or better. You would have noticed had you been alert to Church publications, introduction of conference speakers, etc. 

As to the reason why, I can only make an educated guess, but here it is.

Together, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles form a council. It is called the Council of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. My guess is that to avoid confusion, they switched to calling the Twelve a quorum instead of a council.

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The first time they started calling it the Quorum of Twelve was during The Solemn Assembly Sustaining of Church Officers in the April 1995 General conference.
This was following the death of  Ezra Taft Benson and sustaining of President Gordon B. Hinckley as the new President of the church. 
The years before that they were sustained as the Council of Twelve.  With the change to a new presidency perhaps they took the opportunity to make a change to the name of the Twelve as well.

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On 2/20/2018 at 8:29 AM, Rain said:

Good question.

Trying to find the answer is leading me to other questions. I'm finding things about  how seniority has been changed. I found that one apostle was called and either the church did not vote/sustain him or that he,was removed from office because he didn't agree with everyone else that you should get first presidency approval before running for office.

Has anyone written a reputable book or paper that talks about these kind of things?

There was that "Conflict in the Quorum" by Gary Bergera, about Orson Pratt and Brigham Young, it may cover that? seniority issue I have a book, although it's long out of print by Wilburn Talbot about the "Acts of the Modern Apostles" . You could also try to get a bio on the Apostle and see fi that has anything about it. I would probably get the Lorenzo Snow one by Dennis Horne, because I think that episode happened in the 1890's or any other one on the Prophets as they were obviously serving the longest time and saw a lot

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On 2/24/2018 at 11:57 AM, JAHS said:

The first time they started calling it the Quorum of Twelve was during The Solemn Assembly Sustaining of Church Officers in the April 1995 General conference.
This was following the death of  Ezra Taft Benson and sustaining of President Gordon B. Hinckley as the new President of the church. 
The years before that they were sustained as the Council of Twelve.  With the change to a new presidency perhaps they took the opportunity to make a change to the name of the Twelve as well.

I don't think it was unheard of, prior to then, to call it the Quorum of the Twelve. My recollection is that "Council" and "Quorum" were used pretty much interchangeably in referring to the Twelve.

 

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1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I don't think it was unheard of, prior to then, to call it the Quorum of the Twelve. My recollection is that "Council" and "Quorum" were used pretty much interchangeably in referring to the Twelve.

 

That's possible but that was the first General conference that they started sustaining the Apostles as members of the Quorum of Twelve and not Council of Twelve as in conferences past. To me that reflects an official change of name happening at around that time.

 

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