Why argue the bible is infallible?

[LittleNipper]

15 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said:

I do find your behavior here to be disrespectful and unbefitting of a Christian, yes.  But it is specifically your behavior I'm point to, not your message.  I would be thrilled to have a respectful conversation with you and respectfully talk about different views.  Would you like that as well?

Are you judging me? As a Christian should you not apply scripture and not rely on you own values and considerations? I do not mean to upset you: however, I cannot in all good conscience let anyone imagine that they are gliding down the right path when there are so many issues that seem to be sending up caution flags. Have I stated that you are not a Christian? Do we disagree? Is it wrong to disagree, and is this not the place to ponder such disagreements? I believe that perhaps you imagine that respect equals agreement. I personally do not. As far as behavior, I do not see how you can observe my behavior --- only my typing abilities (and I will grant you that I'm far from perfect in that regard).

Edited October 26, 2017 by LittleNipper

[LittleNipper]

Romans 6-8Amplified Bible (AMP)

Believers Are Dead to Sin, Alive to God

6 What shall we say [to all this]? Should we continue in sin and practice sin as a habit so that [God’s gift of] ^[a]grace may increase and overflow? ² Certainly not! How can we, the very ones who died to sin, continue to live in it any longer? ³ Or are you ignorant of the fact that all of us who have been ^[b]baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? ⁴ We have therefore been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory and power of the Father, we too might walk habitually in newness of life [abandoning our old ways]. ⁵ For if we have become one with Him [permanently united] in the likeness of His death, we will also certainly be [one with Him and share fully] in the likeness of His resurrection. ⁶ We know that our old ^[c]self [our human nature without the Holy Spirit] was nailed to the cross with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin. ⁷ For the person who has died [with Christ] has been freed from [the power of] sin.

⁸ Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live [together] with Him, ⁹ because we know [the self-evident truth] that Christ, having been raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has power over Him. ¹⁰ For the death that He died, He died to sin [ending its power and paying the sinner’s debt] once and for all; and the life that He lives, He lives to [glorify] God [in unbroken fellowship with Him]. ¹¹ Even so, consider yourselves to be dead to sin [and your relationship to it broken], but alive to God [in unbroken fellowship with Him] in Christ Jesus.

¹² Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts and passions. ¹³ Do not go on offering members of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness. But offer yourselves to God [in a decisive act] as those alive [raised] from the dead [to a new life], and your members [all of your abilities—sanctified, set apart] as instruments of righteousness [yielded] to God. ¹⁴ For sin will no longer be a master over you, since you are not under Law [as slaves], but under [unmerited] grace [as recipients of God’s favor and mercy].

¹⁵ What then [are we to conclude]? Shall we sin because we are not under Law, but under [God’s] grace? Certainly not! ¹⁶ Do you not know that when you continually offer yourselves to someone to do his will, you are the slaves of the one whom you obey, either [slaves] of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness (right standing with God)? ¹⁷ But thank God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient with all your heart to the standard of teaching in which you were instructed and to which you were committed. ¹⁸ And having been set free from sin, you have become the slaves of righteousness [of conformity to God’s will and purpose]. ¹⁹ I am speaking in [familiar] human terms because of your natural limitations [your spiritual immaturity]. For just as you presented your bodily members as slaves to impurity and to [moral] lawlessness, leading to further lawlessness, so now offer your members [your abilities, your talents] as slaves to righteousness, leading to ^[d]sanctification [that is, being set apart for God’s purpose].

²⁰ When you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness [you had no desire to conform to God’s will]. ²¹ So what benefit did you get at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? [None!] For the outcome of those things is death! ²² But now since you have been set free from sin and have become [willing] slaves to God, you have your benefit, resulting in sanctification [being made holy and set apart for God’s purpose], and the outcome [of this] is eternal life. ²³ For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God [that is, His remarkable, overwhelming gift of grace to believers] is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Believers United to Christ

7 Or do you not know, ^[e]brothers and sisters (for I am speaking to those who know the Law), that the Law has jurisdiction [to rule] over a person as long as he lives? ² For the married woman [as an example] is bound and remains bound by law to her husband while he lives; but if her husband dies, she is released and exempt from the law concerning her husband. ³ Accordingly, she will be designated as an adulteress if she ^[f]unites herself to another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from the law [regarding marriage], so that she is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

⁴ Therefore, my ^[g]fellow believers, you too died to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. ⁵ When we were living in the flesh [trapped by sin], the sinful passions, which were awakened by [that which] the Law [identifies as sin], were at work in our body to bear fruit for death [since the willingness to sin led to death and separation from God]. ⁶ But now we have been released from the Law and its penalty, having died [through Christ] to that by which we were held captive, so that we serve [God] in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter [of the Law].

⁷ What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, if it had not been for the Law, I would not have recognized sin. For I would not have known [for example] about coveting [what belongs to another, and would have had no sense of guilt] if the Law had not [repeatedly] said, “You shall not covet.” ⁸ But sin, finding an opportunity through the commandment [to express itself] produced in me every kind of coveting and selfish desire. For without the Law sin is dead [the recognition of sin is inactive]. ⁹ I was once alive without [knowledge of] the Law; but when the commandment came [and I understood its meaning], sin became alive and I died [since the Law sentenced me to death]. ¹⁰ And the very commandment which was intended to bring life, actually proved to bring death for me. ¹¹ For sin, seizing its opportunity through the commandment, beguiled and completely deceived me, and ^[h]using it as a weapon killed me [separating me from God]. ¹² So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

¹³ Did that which is good [the Law], then become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, in order that it might be revealed as sin, was producing death in me by [using] this good thing [as a weapon], so that through the commandment sin would become exceedingly sinful.

The Conflict of Two Natures

¹⁴ We know that the Law is spiritual, but I am a creature of the flesh [worldly, self-reliant—carnal and unspiritual], sold into slavery to sin [and serving under its control]. ¹⁵ For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled and bewildered by them]. I do not practice what I want to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate [and yielding to my human nature, my worldliness—my sinful capacity]. ¹⁶ Now if I habitually do what I do not want to do, [that means] I agree with the Law, confessing that it is good (morally excellent). ¹⁷ So now [if that is the case, then] it is no longer I who do it [the disobedient thing which I despise], but the sin [nature] which lives in me. ¹⁸ For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh [my human nature, my worldliness—my sinful capacity]. For the willingness [to do good] is present in me, but the doing of good is not. ¹⁹ For the good that I want to do, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. ²⁰ But if I am doing the very thing I do not want to do, I am no longer the one doing it [that is, it is not me that acts], but the sin [nature] which lives in me.

²¹ So I find it to be the law [of my inner self], that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. ²² For I joyfully delight in the law of God in my inner self [with my new nature], ²³ but I see a different law and rule of action in the members of my body [in its appetites and desires], waging war against the law of my mind and subduing me and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is within my members. ²⁴ Wretched and miserable man that I am! Who will [rescue me and] set me free from this body of death [this corrupt, mortal existence]? ²⁵ Thanks be to God [for my deliverance] through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind serve the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh [my human nature, my worldliness, my sinful capacity—I serve] the law of sin.

Escape from Bondage

8 Therefore there is now no condemnation [no guilty verdict, no punishment] for those who are in Christ Jesus [who believe in Him as personal Lord and Savior]. ² For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has set you free from the law of sin and of death. ³ For what the Law could not do [that is, overcome sin and remove its penalty, its power] being weakened by the flesh [man’s nature without the Holy Spirit], God did: He sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful man as an offering for sin. And He condemned sin in the flesh [subdued it and overcame it in the person of His own Son], ⁴ so that the [righteous and just] requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not live our lives in the ways of the flesh [guided by worldliness and our sinful nature], but [live our lives] in the ways of the Spirit [guided by His power]. ⁵ For those who are living according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh [which gratify the body], but those who are living according to the Spirit, [set their minds on] the things of the Spirit [His will and purpose]. ⁶ Now the mind of the flesh is death [both now and forever—because it pursues sin]; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace [the spiritual well-being that comes from walking with God—both now and forever]; ⁷ the mind of the flesh [with its sinful pursuits] is actively hostile to God. It does not submit itself to God’s law, since it cannot, ⁸ and those who are in the flesh [living a life that caters to sinful appetites and impulses] cannot please God.

⁹ However, you are not [living] in the flesh [controlled by the sinful nature] but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God lives in you [directing and guiding you]. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him [and is not a child of God]. ¹⁰ If Christ lives in you, though your [natural] body is dead because of sin, your spirit is alive because of righteousness [which He provides]. ¹¹ And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.

¹² So then, ^[i]brothers and sisters, we have an obligation, but not to our flesh [our human nature, our worldliness, our sinful capacity], to live according to the [impulses of the] flesh [our nature without the Holy Spirit]— ¹³ for if you are living according to the [impulses of the] flesh, you are going to die. But if [you are living] by the [power of the Holy] Spirit you are habitually putting to death the sinful deeds of the body, you will [really] live forever. ¹⁴ For all who are allowing themselves to be led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. ¹⁵ For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading again to fear [of God’s judgment], but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons [the Spirit producing sonship] by which we [joyfully] cry, “^[j]Abba! Father!” ¹⁶ The Spirit Himself testifies and confirms together with our spirit [assuring us] that we [believers] are children of God. ¹⁷ And if [we are His] children, [then we are His] heirs also: heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ [sharing His spiritual blessing and inheritance], if indeed we share in His suffering so that we may also share in His glory.

¹⁸ For I consider [from the standpoint of faith] that the sufferings of the present life are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us and in us! ¹⁹ For [even the whole] creation [all nature] waits eagerly for the children of God to be revealed. ²⁰ For the creation was subjected to frustration and futility, not willingly [because of some intentional fault on its part], but by the will of Him who subjected it, in hope ²¹ that the creation itself will also be freed from its bondage to decay [and gain entrance] into the glorious freedom of the children of God. ²² For we know that the whole creation has been moaning together as in the pains of childbirth until now. ²³ And not only this, but we too, who have the first fruits of the Spirit [a joyful indication of the blessings to come], even we groan inwardly, as we wait eagerly for [the sign of] our adoption as sons—the redemption and transformation of our body [at the resurrection]. ²⁴ For in this hope we were saved [by faith]. But hope [the object of] which is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he already sees? ²⁵ But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait eagerly for it with patience and composure.

Our Victory in Christ

²⁶ In the same way the Spirit [comes to us and] helps us in our weakness. We do not know what prayer to offer or how to offer it as we should, but the Spirit Himself [knows our need and at the right time] intercedes on our behalf with sighs and groanings too deep for words. ²⁷ And He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because the Spirit intercedes [before God] on behalf of ^[k]God’s people in accordance with God’s will.

²⁸ And we know [with great confidence] that God [who is deeply concerned about us] causes all things to work together [as a plan] for good for those who love God, to those who are called according to His plan and purpose. ²⁹ For those whom He foreknew [and loved and chose beforehand], He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son [and ultimately share in His complete sanctification], so that He would be the firstborn [the most beloved and honored] among many believers. ³⁰ And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity].

³¹ What then shall we say to all these things? If God is for us, who can be [successful] against us? ³² He who did not spare [even] His own Son, but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, graciously give us all things? ³³ Who will bring any charge against God’s elect (His chosen ones)? It is God who justifies us [declaring us blameless and putting us in a right relationship with Himself]. ³⁴ Who is the one who condemns us? Christ Jesus is the One who died [to pay our penalty], and more than that, who was raised [from the dead], and who is at the right hand of God interceding [with the Father] for us. ³⁵ Who shall ever separate us from the love of ^[l]Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? ³⁶ Just as it is written and forever remains written,

“For Your sake we are put to death all day long;
We are regarded as sheep for the slaughter.”

³⁷ Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors and gain an overwhelming victory through Him who loved us [so much that He died for us]. ³⁸ For I am convinced [and continue to be convinced—beyond any doubt] that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present and threatening, nor things to come, nor powers, ³⁹ nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the [unlimited] love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[thesometimesaint]

2 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

Are you judging me? As a Christian should you not apply scripture and not rely on you own values and considerations? I do not mean to upset you: however, I cannot in all good conscience let anyone imagine that they are gliding down the right path when there are so many issues that seem to be sending up caution flags. Have I stated that you are not a Christian? Do we disagree? Is it wrong to disagree, and is this not the place to ponder such disagreements? I believe that perhaps you imagine that respect equals agreement. I personally do not. As far as behavior, I do not see how you can observe my behavior --- only my typing abilities (and I will grant you that I'm far from perfect in that regard).

We are not to judge unrighteously. You have consistently told us what we believe, even when told we don't believe that. Then condemn us for not believing what you claim. The hypocrisy is rank, and stinks to the High Heavens.  When someone repeatedly shows you who they are... Believe them. I have no problem with disagreements, as anyone here can tell you. What I am disgusted by is your disagreeableness.

[thesometimesaint]

"If you love me keep my commandments". God's love is not in question. What is in question is our love for him.

[Jane_Doe]

11 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

Are you judging me?

No.  I was discussing your current behavior, not you as a person.  In the case of an online environment, the words you type and their tone is your behavior.  

11 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

 I believe that perhaps you imagine that respect equals agreement. I personally do not. 

"Respect" is not remotely the same thing as a "agreement".  Obviously we have different views, hence my question: "I would be thrilled to have a respectful conversation with you and respectfully talk about different views.  Would you like that as well?"

[LittleNipper]

1 minute ago, Jane_Doe said:

No.  I was discussing your current behavior, not you as a person.  In the case of an online environment, the words you type and their tone is your behavior.  

"Respect" is not remotely the same thing as a "agreement".  Obviously we have different views, hence my question: "I would be thrilled to have a respectful conversation with you and respectfully talk about different views.  Would you like that as well?"

Why Yes! Such would be most beneficial.

[Jane_Doe]

13 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

Why Yes! Such would be most beneficial.

Awesome!  

I have a respectful question for you: what role does the history of the Bible (such as it's compilation, different versions, etc) play in your faith?  

[JLHPROF]

39 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

Romans 6-8Amplified Bible (AMP)

Man, that's a hard version of the Bible to read.

[LittleNipper]

36 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

Man, that's a hard version of the Bible to read.

Great for study!

[pogi]

3 hours ago, LittleNipper said:

Name one that isn't connected with the Bible and has been in contention for thousands of years. I'd love to read it!

You ever heard of Hinduism?  Ya, they have been around awhile!

The Sruti or Shruti (their core scripture) is ancient, estimated to be as old as 1500 BCE. 

It must be true if it has survived through so many wars and contentions!

[LittleNipper]

29 minutes ago, pogi said:

You ever heard of Hinduism?  Ya, they have been around awhile!

The Sruti or Shruti (their core scripture) is ancient, estimated to be as old as 1500 BCE. 

It must be true if it has survived through so many wars and contentions!

AND is it as old as the Old Testament? AND has it been an enlightenment for the general public living in say India? Or has Christianity brought about much of the change to the various classes in India? How is one saved under Hinduism? Show me the perfect Hindu and I will show you the Son of God!

Edited October 26, 2017 by LittleNipper

[thesometimesaint]

5 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

AND is it as old as the Old Testament? AND has it been an enlightenment for the general public living in say India? Or has Christianity brought about much of the change to the various classes in India. How is one saved under Hinduism? Show me the perfect Hindu and I will show you the Son of God!

The Old Testament as we know it didn't exist until after Christianity wrote the New Testament. Yes Hinduism was much better than what India had before Hinduism.

Who says that Indians want to change their religious based class structure. BTW The US has a well established class structure of its own.

Hinduism has no concept of Christian "Saved".

In Hinduism we go through an innumerable series of lives as different animals according to our deeds. After which we are taken to nirvana to merge with a great Supreme self. 

Edited October 26, 2017 by thesometimesaint

[LittleNipper]

1 hour ago, Jane_Doe said:

Awesome!  

I have a respectful question for you: what role does the history of the Bible (such as it's compilation, different versions, etc) play in your faith?  

Only that I know that GOD will work through it all, with or without my opinion. I cannot screw up His Word, nor can anyone else.

[LittleNipper]

1 minute ago, thesometimesaint said:

The Old Testament as we know it didn't exist until after Christianity wrote the New Testament.

Here you are historically wrong! The scripture that Jesus read in the temple at Jerusalem was the same as the one we posses in Hebrew today. They did not accept the Apocrypha as scriptural as Evangelicals do not today. 

[JLHPROF]

5 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

Here you are historically wrong! The scripture that Jesus read in the temple at Jerusalem was the same as the one we posses in Hebrew today. They did not accept the Apocrypha as scriptural as Evangelicals do not today. 

Your telling us that Jesus had a copy of the OT from Genesis through to Malachi exactly as it would be in our Bible today?
Nonsense.  
He may have had access to those writings.  But they weren't brought together in to one book or one testament.

Edited October 26, 2017 by JLHPROF

[mfbukowski]

5 hours ago, Five Solas said:

I like this definition, thank you, stemelbow. 

There's something intensely humbling in the New Testament, wherein men devote their lives to the Torah and the rest of the 39 books of the Hebrew Bible, the Scribes, the Sadducees, the Pharisees--and they get it wrong (e.g., John 5:39).  All their learning, their sincerity, their high view of Scripture--for not.  It certainly reveals the limit of our logic and argumentation.     

It points us to the necessity of the Holy Spirit.  To paraphrase Calvin, it is the Spirit who produces saving faith and that faith finds as its object Christ promised in the Scriptures.  Without the Spirit, one will find a thousand reasons to dismiss the Bible and/or twist its words to serve his or her own purposes. 

--Erik

Without the spirit one will find a thousand reasons to dismiss the Book of Mormon and/or twist its words to serve his or her own purposes.

Glad to know you endorse the Spirit as showing us true scripture.

 

Edited October 26, 2017 by mfbukowski

[LittleNipper]

6 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

Your telling us that Jesus had a copy of the OT from Genesis through to Malachi exactly as it would be in our Bible today?
Nonsense.  
He may have had access to those writings.  But they weren't brought together in to one book or one testament.

The portion of the Bible that we commonly call the Old Testament was completed in the days of Ezra the Priest and Governor Nehemiah, about 420bc. Ezra was sent by King Artaxerxes of Persia to Jerusalem in 457bc with the temple scrolls and other treasures which had been kept in Babylon since the days of Nebuchadnezzar (Ezra 7:14). Ezra came back to teach Scripture to the people (v. 10) and to institute religious reform for people who were on the verge of losing their very identity and absorbing the syncretistic paganism of their neighbors. About thirteen years after Ezra’s return, Nehemiah returned as governor and had the authority to insist that Ezra’s reforms be carried out. The first century Jewish historian and priest, Flavius Josephus, recorded the history of the Hebrew Scriptures and contrasted them to the Greek writings extant in his day. "For we have not an innumerable multitude of books among us, disagreeing from and contradicting one another [as the Greeks have], but only 22 books… which are justly believed to be divine…" (Against Apion, 1, 8). Josephus went on to state that the Jewish scriptures had been compiled in their final form in the days of King Artaxerxes, who reigned in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah. He emphasized that, while many books had been composed among the Jews since that time, they were not considered to have divine authority, because there had not been a succession of prophets since the time of Malachi, a late contemporary of Ezra and Nehemiah. In addition to Josephus, the book of 1 Maccabees (second century bc), writings by the first century ad philosopher Philo, and traditions preserved in Seder Olam and the Talmud (ancient commentaries) all testify to a fixed canon since the time of Ezra. The 22 books mentioned by Josephus correspond to the books of our Old Testament—normally counted as 39 books in modern translations. The difference in number is because of a difference in the way the books were counted. The 12 Minor Prophets, for instance, were kept on one scroll in Hebrew, and were counted as simply one book, not as 12 separate ones. There are several other combinations as well" (Ogwyn J. How Did We Get The Bible? TW. January-February 2002).

[Jane_Doe]

37 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

Only that I know that GOD will work through it all, with or without my opinion. I cannot screw up His Word, nor can anyone else.

So... would you say that the history of the Bible and the many different versions of it throughout Christendom plays no role in your faith?

(Note, by different versions I'm talking about big things like different books included, not just different translations).

[Jane_Doe]

34 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

Here you are historically wrong! The scripture that Jesus read in the temple at Jerusalem was the same as the one we posses in Hebrew today. They did not accept the Apocrypha as scriptural as Evangelicals do not today. 

Actually which books are in the Christian OT varies even today between different groups.  

[pogi]

1 hour ago, LittleNipper said:

AND is it as old as the Old Testament?

Yes it is as old as the Old Testament, much older in fact (1500 BCE)!

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The first five books – Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, book of Numbers and Deuteronomy – reached their present form in the Persian period (538–332 BC), and their authors were the elite of exilic returnees who controlled the Temple at that time.[10] The books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings follow, forming a history of Israel from the Conquest of Canaan to the Siege of Jerusalem c. 587 BC. There is a broad consensus among scholars that these originated as a single work (the so-called "Deuteronomistic history") during the Babylonian exile of the 6th century BC.[11] The two Books of Chronicles cover much the same material as the Pentateuch and Deuteronomistic history and probably date from the 4th century BC.[12] Chronicles, and Ezra–Nehemiah, were probably finished during the 3rd century BC.[13] Catholic and Orthodox Old Testaments contain two (Catholic Old Testament) to four (Orthodox) Books of Maccabees, written in the 2nd and 1st centuries BC.

These history books make up around half the total content of the Old Testament. Of the remainder, the books of the various prophets – Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and the twelve "minor prophets" – were written between the 8th and 6th centuries BC, with the exceptions of Jonah and Daniel, which were written much later.[14] The "wisdom" books – Job, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Psalms, Song of Solomon – have various dates: Proverbs possibly was completed by the Hellenistic time (332-198 BC), though containing much older material as well; Job completed by the 6th Century BC; Ecclesiastes by the 3rd Century BC.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament

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 AND has it been an enlightenment for the general public living in say India?

No, they find no enlightenment in a book that they claim has divine origin!  They have revered it for longer than the Bible has been in existence because it has a nice cover

"In a religious or spiritual sense, sruti means the knowledge which was heard by revelation. It includes the knowledge heard from God, a divine being, a spiritual teacher or an enlightened person."  http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/concepts/sruthi.asp

Sounds kinda like the Biblical claim, no?

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Or has Christianity brought about much of the change to the various classes in India? 

If you think Christianity has had a more profound spiritual/religious effect then Hinduism has had in India, then you are a little... 

1 hour ago, LittleNipper said:

How is one saved under Hinduism?

What, you mean like the Christian salvation?  You are kidding, right?

Here is what you originally asked for:

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Easy! There are plenty of religious text out there and yet only the Bible has been at the center of disagreements, wars,  historical studies, etc., etc., etc., for over 2000 years. No other text can claim that! Name one if you can! This would logically only be true if GOD was set on making HIS VERY WORD the witness to the world. It doesn't take rocket science to discern the obvious only an open heart seeking after GOD.

Only the Bible???  for over "2000" years??? No text can claim that??? 

"This would logically only be true if God was set on making HIS VERY WORD the witness to the world." 

There you have it ladies and gentlemen, Hindu scripture could not be possible unless it was the word of God!   It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out!

Edited October 26, 2017 by pogi

[pogi]

4 hours ago, LittleNipper said:

I can see exactly how Mormons in general can get easily sucked into the fallacy that the Bible is full of errors. 

Have you read 1 Corinthians 14: 34-35?

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.  1 Corinthians 14: 34-35"

Are your women not permitted to teach or even ask questions at church?  Just curious.

Edited October 26, 2017 by pogi

[LittleNipper]

2 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:

Actually which books are in the Christian OT varies even today between different groups.  

I'm not going to argue with you there. The only books in or out is the Apocrypha and the Protestant churches all see them as historical but not part of the Bible. The Roman Catholic church includes it because it seems to support Purgatory and prayers for the dead for one. None of the Protestant or Catholic churches or Jewish traditions even mention the book of Mormon. That goes without saying.

[LittleNipper]

2 hours ago, pogi said:

Have you read 1 Corinthians 14: 34-35?

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.  1 Corinthians 14: 34-35"

Are your women not permitted to teach or even ask questions at church?  Just curious.

We have no lady ministers. We believe women should be supportive of the males in such positions as a pastor's wife. There are no question and answer sessions during Sunday services in the sanctuary. We do allow women Sunday School teachers of children and other women. Thank you for your question.

Edited October 26, 2017 by LittleNipper

[LittleNipper]

3 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:

So... would you say that the history of the Bible and the many different versions of it throughout Christendom plays no role in your faith?

(Note, by different versions I'm talking about big things like different books included, not just different translations).

I have read Presbyterian books, Methodist books, Assembly of God books... They only play a role as far as they reflect Biblical thought and not apart from that. I also enjoy Creationist literature; however, I find that they support what I rather realized all along; however, they put it into clear scientific terms.

[JLHPROF]

4 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

I have read Presbyterian books, Methodist books, Assembly of God books... They only play a role as far as they reflect Biblical thought and not apart from that. I also enjoy Creationist literature; however, I find that they support what I rather realized all along; however, they put it into clear scientific terms.

So its not just traditional Christianity but ONLY your particular version of Christianity that is valid?
Starting to sound a little Mormon there....

And you still haven't answered my question from the other thread.
What action do we take to accept Jesus Christ and be saved?

Edited October 26, 2017 by JLHPROF