LittleNipper Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: LittleNipper, I'm just trying to get you to directly answer a question. You have once again disrespected me by blatantly ignoring my question. Here, I will once again charitably ask again and provide two possible answers: Question: Would you like to directly and my questions and be understood/respected that way, or do you choose only to view me as a potential convert? Possible Answer 1: "Yes Jane, I would like to explain my beliefs to you, answer your questions about my beliefs, and have a respectful inter-faith dialogue." Possible Answer 2: "Jane, I don't view you as a person worth respecting and actually answering your questions. Instead your only worth to me is as a potential convert to preach at." Please answer with a #1 or #2. If you once again refuse to answer this question directly, I will interpret that as a complete lack of respect for me and terminate this conversation. Answer 1: "Yes Jane, I would like to explain my beliefs to you, answer your questions about my beliefs, and have a respectful inter-faith dialogue." Is that going to get me burned at the stake? Edited November 2, 2017 by LittleNipper 1
Jane_Doe Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: Edited November 2, 2017 by Jane_Doe
Jane_Doe Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: Answer 1: "Yes Jane, I would like to explain my beliefs to you, answer your questions about my beliefs, and have a respectful inter-faith dialogue." Thank you for your willingness to listen and change your behavior. Do you believe that the Catholic Bible is the word of God? Edited November 2, 2017 by Jane_Doe
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 I 1 hour ago, Jane_Doe said: Thank you for your willingness to listen and change your behavior. Do you believe that the Catholic Bible is the word of God? I believe that the Old Testament and the New Testament contained in the Catholic Vulgate is the word of God.
Jane_Doe Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: I I believe that the Old Testament and the New Testament contained in the Catholic Vulgate is the word of God. How about the straight-up 73 book Catholic Bible?
The Nehor Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 3 hours ago, LittleNipper said: I have words of Jesus' personally trained apostles and disciples. He personally spoke to them in their lifetime. What do you have? People who spoke to Jesus more recently. 3
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: How about the straight-up 73 book Catholic Bible? Only 66 books of the Bible I believe are inspired.
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Nehor said: People who spoke to Jesus more recently. How many people spoke to Jesus and is there historic substantiation including gentile/pagan considerations? Edited November 3, 2017 by LittleNipper
JLHPROF Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: Only 66 books of the Bible I believe are inspired. So is it the Bible or just a particular version that you believe in? That seems a little self-serving. And it still doesn't answer the question of God still speaking to man. I don't believe he's gone silent. Is there a reason you do? Is there a circumstance that could result in an increase to 67 books that you would both accept and believe?
Jane_Doe Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: Only 66 books of the Bible I believe are inspired. So you believe the Bibles used by majority of Christendom are corrupt? Edited November 3, 2017 by Jane_Doe
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 1 minute ago, JLHPROF said: So is it the Bible or just a particular version that you believe in? That seems a little self-serving. And it still doesn't answer the question of God still speaking to man. I don't believe he's gone silent. Is there a reason you do? Is there a circumstance that could result in an increase to 67 books that you would both accept and believe? God has said everything He wishes to say and has provided His Word. There is nothing more that GOD needs to say aside from fulfillment of the prophecies contained in His Word. There is no circumstance that would necessitate anything additional being added to the Bible -- I believe it is complete with the prophetic finale of REVELATION of Christ.
The Nehor Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: How many people spoke to Jesus and is there historic substantiation including gentile/pagan considerations? Well, you have the writers of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and questionably Josephus. We have Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Sidney Rigdon, Brigham Young, Lorenzo Snow, and more so we have you beat there. If you want to change the goal to people who reported seeing him we still have more. The Bible gives you about 500 and some change who saw the resurrected lord. The Book of Mormon has thousands of witnesses so we win there too. Of course we believe in the Bible visitations too we we beat you by a landslide. Checkmate. When would you like the missionaries to come get to get the process of baptism started?
The Nehor Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, LittleNipper said: God has said everything He wishes to say and has provided His Word. There is nothing more that GOD needs to say aside from fulfillment of the prophecies contained in His Word. There is no circumstance that would necessitate anything additional being added to the Bible -- I believe it is complete with the prophetic finale of REVELATION of Christ. You do not have the wisdom to make the determination that what has been revealed is enough and you certainly do not get to tell God that He must be silent from here on out. 1
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: So you believe the Bibles used by majority of Christendom are corrupt? I believe many Bibles contain additional data not necessary to the story of Christ and His message of Salvation.
Jane_Doe Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 1 minute ago, LittleNipper said: I believe many Bibles contain additional data not necessary to the story of Christ and His message of Salvation. Do you believe the Bibles used by majority of Christendom are corrupt? A "yes" or "no" will suffice.
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: Do you believe the Bibles used by majority of Christendom are corrupt? A "yes" or "no" will suffice. Majority? NO!
Jane_Doe Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: Majority? NO! >60% of Christians use Bibles that have more than the 66 books you claimed were inspired. That is the majority. So, do you believe the Bibles used by majority of Christendom are corrupt? 1
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 16 minutes ago, The Nehor said: You do not have the wisdom to make the determination that what has been revealed is enough and you certainly do not get to tell God that He must be silent from here on out. I do know that all the early Christian disciples had was originally the Old Testament. And the Apostles and those directly associated with them explained the association of the Old Testament with regard to the Lord Jesus Christ in the New Testament. Jesus had informed them that they would be inspired to remember directly from what Jesus Himself explained by the Holy Spirit. And finally there is the Revelation of Jesus the Messiah and the climax to the salvation story. Jesus continues to reveal Himself from the pages of both the Old and New Testaments to this very day. He is never silent to individuals as they mature in their belief during their lives.
JLHPROF Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 20 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: God has said everything He wishes to say and has provided His Word. There is nothing more that GOD needs to say aside from fulfillment of the prophecies contained in His Word. There is no circumstance that would necessitate anything additional being added to the Bible -- I believe it is complete with the prophetic finale of REVELATION of Christ. Nineteenth—“Is not the canon of the Scriptures full?” [Answer] If it is, there is a great defect in the book, or else it would have said so. "-Joseph Smith If the Bible doesn't say it's full I don't see where you get off saying it is. (And that verse at the end of Revelation only refers to Revelation, not the canon). Also, the Bible says God can do nothing save he reveals it to the prophets. Which prophet detailed his current will and actions concerning us today? Or is he on vacation and doing nothing?
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: >60% of Christians use Bibles that have more than the 66 books you claimed were inspired. That is the majority. So, do you believe the Bibles used by majority of Christendom are corrupt? . The Apocrypha is separated from the other books --- between the Old and New Testaments. That inclusion of the Apocrypha would not corrupt the other books. The Apocrypha is not inspired, but certainly has historic value regarding the Jews.
Jane_Doe Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, LittleNipper said: The Apocrypha is separated from the other books --- between the Old and New Testaments. That inclusion of the Apocrypha would not corrupt the other books. The Apocrypha is not inspired, but certainly has historic value regarding the Jews. Once again: do you believe the Bibles used by majority of Christendom are corrupt? A "yes" or "no" will suffice.
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Nineteenth—“Is not the canon of the Scriptures full?” [Answer] If it is, there is a great defect in the book, or else it would have said so. "-Joseph Smith If the Bible doesn't say it's full I don't see where you get off saying it is. (And that verse at the end of Revelation only refers to Revelation, not the canon). Also, the Bible says God can do nothing save he reveals it to the prophets. Which prophet detailed his current will and actions concerning us today? Or is he on vacation and doing nothing? Revelation clearly says not to add prophecy additionally to that book. Any latter revelation would be adding to the Revelation. The pastors, minister, and theologians today apply the Bible to everyday considerations with inspired understanding. The Bible is complete with regard to Christ and His Church. The Book of Revelation also reveals that 2 witnesses will appear during the Tribulation. Edited November 3, 2017 by LittleNipper
LittleNipper Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: Once again: do you believe the Bibles used by majority of Christendom are corrupt? A "yes" or "no" will suffice. NO! Do you believe that the book of Mormon is necessary for salvation? Yes or no!
JLHPROF Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 1 minute ago, LittleNipper said: Revelation clearly says not to add prophecy additionally to that book. Any latter revelation would be adding to the Revelation. The pastors, minister, and theologians today apply the Bible to everyday considerations with inspired understanding. The Bible is complete with regard to Christ and His Church. Revelation says not to add to that prophecy. Nobody added anything to Revelation. It has nothing to do with additional books being added to canon. When those words were written there was no Bible and no canon to apply them to. If God still speaks to man then scripture is still being created. If the Holy Spirit still inspires men then scripture is still being created. If the hand of God is still observed and recorded in the lives of men then scripture is still being created. No servant of God and not even God himself has ever said otherwise.
JLHPROF Posted November 3, 2017 Posted November 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, LittleNipper said: NO! Do you believe that the book of Mormon is necessary for salvation? Yes or no! No. There is no salvation between the lids of the Bible or any other scripture without a legal adminstrator. (To paraphrase Joseph).
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