God loves everyone. Gays are not the only group with a challenge

[SamuelTheLamanite]

So to be clear God hates the sin, but loves the sinner. Being gay is not a sin, homosexual activity is. For God gays either have to marry someone of the opposite sex, or remain celibate. I know it is probably very hard for them, but obedience to the laws of God brings happiness, freedom, and blessings. Gays aren't the only ones with a challenge. Let me quote a CNN I read, "One cannot choose to not be a pedophile, but one can choose to not be a child molester..."Pedophilia" was long used as a synonym for "child molestation," and both were often seen as psychological failures of self-control. Child molesters were thought to be acting out their own histories of abuses, reacting to fears of adult relationships, or manifesting a symptom that might be resolved in psychotherapy, after which they would no longer be pedophilic...Recently, however, a number of studies have starting changing that view. It appears that one can be born with a brain predisposed to experience sexual arousal in response to children....No one has been able to find a way to change pedophiles into nonpedophiles. But that does not mean we cannot prevent child molestation. Sexual preference for children doesn't have to result in actual sexual behaviors toward children. "   

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/opinion/cantor-pedophila-sandusky/index.html

an abstract of a study says,  "This entry briefly describes the scientific literature on hebephilia, a sexual preference for pubescent children that can be distinguished from the better known paraphilia of pedophilia, which refers to a sexual preference for prepubescent children. The existing research suggests hebephilia is a valid sexual preference, with implications for the assessment and management of individuals who engage in sexual behavior involving children."  

and a scientific article says, "Men who find themselves primarily attracted to young or middle-aged adolescents are clearly disadvantaged in today’s society, but historically (and evolutionarily) this almost certainly wasn’t the case. In fact, hebephiles—or at least ephebephiles—would have had a leg up over their competition. Evolutionary psychologists have found repeatedly that markers of youth correlate highly with perceptions of beauty and attractiveness. For straight men, this makes sense, since a woman’s reproductive value declines steadily after the age of about twenty. " 

Both Hebephilia and Pedophilia activity are a serious sin in the eyes of God, same for homosexual activity.  God loves all of us, we all have different challenges, but I know that God is going to bless us if we are faithful to his commandments. 

[Guest]

You are kind of going the long way around. She...God loves all, and he blesses thise who obey his commands. No matter how they identify, or feel. God's Grace is sufficient to give until all the strength needed to "overcome the world," we just live in an age now, where the secular world is always recruiting people away from God, and His commands. 

[The Nehor]

The same sex attraction/pedophilia comparison has previously been explicitly banned on this board and, unless the rules have changed, still is. Please don't.

[JLHPROF]

13 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

The same sex attraction/pedophilia comparison has previously been explicitly banned on this board and, unless the rules have changed, still is.

Which is part of the problem.

[The Nehor]

24 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

Which is part of the problem.

What problem?

[sunstoned]

1 hour ago, SamuelTheLamanite said:

So to be clear God hates the sin, but loves the sinner. Being gay is not a sin, homosexual activity is. For God gays either have to marry someone of the opposite sex, or remain celibate. I know it is probably very hard for them, but obedience to the laws of God brings happiness, freedom, and blessings. Gays aren't the only ones with a challenge. Let me quote a CNN I read, "One cannot choose to not be a pedophile, but one can choose to not be a child molester..."Pedophilia" was long used as a synonym for "child molestation," and both were often seen as psychological failures of self-control. Child molesters were thought to be acting out their own histories of abuses, reacting to fears of adult relationships, or manifesting a symptom that might be resolved in psychotherapy, after which they would no longer be pedophilic...Recently, however, a number of studies have starting changing that view. It appears that one can be born with a brain predisposed to experience sexual arousal in response to children....No one has been able to find a way to change pedophiles into nonpedophiles. But that does not mean we cannot prevent child molestation. Sexual preference for children doesn't have to result in actual sexual behaviors toward children. "   

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/opinion/cantor-pedophila-sandusky/index.html

an abstract of a study says,  "This entry briefly describes the scientific literature on hebephilia, a sexual preference for pubescent children that can be distinguished from the better known paraphilia of pedophilia, which refers to a sexual preference for prepubescent children. The existing research suggests hebephilia is a valid sexual preference, with implications for the assessment and management of individuals who engage in sexual behavior involving children."  

and a scientific article says, "Men who find themselves primarily attracted to young or middle-aged adolescents are clearly disadvantaged in today’s society, but historically (and evolutionarily) this almost certainly wasn’t the case. In fact, hebephiles—or at least ephebephiles—would have had a leg up over their competition. Evolutionary psychologists have found repeatedly that markers of youth correlate highly with perceptions of beauty and attractiveness. For straight men, this makes sense, since a woman’s reproductive value declines steadily after the age of about twenty. " 

Both Hebephilia and Pedophilia activity are a serious sin in the eyes of God, same for homosexual activity.  God loves all of us, we all have different challenges, but I know that God is going to bless us if we are faithful to his commandments. 

While you probably did not mean it as such, I have to tell you that in all honesty I find this posting to be offensive.  Being gay is not a sickness or a perversion.  

Edited August 21, 2017 by sunstoned

[Tacenda]

16 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

While you probably did not mean it as such, I have to tell you that in all honesty I find this posting to be offensive.  Being gay is not a sickness or a perversion.  

Hear, hear!

Let me guess...this guy is an Evangelical that is a former LDS. I've watched him on some interviews. But I could be wrong. If that is the case I'm thinking I'd rather be LDS and not leave this to go to a religion that feels as this person does. No, homosexual/gay people are not pedophiles. Even though he didn't say this outright, it came through. The only pedophiles I'm aware of have been straight, right of the top of my head. 

[USU78]

52 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

Which is part of the problem.

Indeed.

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, SamuelTheLamanite said:

So to be clear God hates the sin, but loves the sinner. Being gay is not a sin, homosexual activity is. For God gays either have to marry someone of the opposite sex, or remain celibate. I know it is probably very hard for them, but obedience to the laws of God brings happiness, freedom, and blessings. Gays aren't the only ones with a challenge. Let me quote a CNN I read, "One cannot choose to not be a pedophile, but one can choose to not be a child molester..."Pedophilia" was long used as a synonym for "child molestation," and both were often seen as psychological failures of self-control. Child molesters were thought to be acting out their own histories of abuses, reacting to fears of adult relationships, or manifesting a symptom that might be resolved in psychotherapy, after which they would no longer be pedophilic...Recently, however, a number of studies have starting changing that view. It appears that one can be born with a brain predisposed to experience sexual arousal in response to children....No one has been able to find a way to change pedophiles into nonpedophiles. But that does not mean we cannot prevent child molestation. Sexual preference for children doesn't have to result in actual sexual behaviors toward children. "   

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/opinion/cantor-pedophila-sandusky/index.html

an abstract of a study says,  "This entry briefly describes the scientific literature on hebephilia, a sexual preference for pubescent children that can be distinguished from the better known paraphilia of pedophilia, which refers to a sexual preference for prepubescent children. The existing research suggests hebephilia is a valid sexual preference, with implications for the assessment and management of individuals who engage in sexual behavior involving children."  

and a scientific article says, "Men who find themselves primarily attracted to young or middle-aged adolescents are clearly disadvantaged in today’s society, but historically (and evolutionarily) this almost certainly wasn’t the case. In fact, hebephiles—or at least ephebephiles—would have had a leg up over their competition. Evolutionary psychologists have found repeatedly that markers of youth correlate highly with perceptions of beauty and attractiveness. For straight men, this makes sense, since a woman’s reproductive value declines steadily after the age of about twenty. " 

Both Hebephilia and Pedophilia activity are a serious sin in the eyes of God, same for homosexual activity.  God loves all of us, we all have different challenges, but I know that God is going to bless us if we are faithful to his commandments. 

That is a lot of words to say younger sexually mature people are more attractive then older ones. So why did you leave out ephebophilia?

[readstoomuch]

Wow.  I would just start a new thread about something else.  This isn`t going any where positive.  

[SamuelTheLamanite]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

The same sex attraction/pedophilia comparison has previously been explicitly banned on this board and, unless the rules have changed, still is. Please don't.

I had no idea. Does that include hebephilia?  

27 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

While you probably did not mean it as such, I have to tell you that in all honesty I find this posting to be offensive.  Being gay is not a sickness or a perversion.  

Yes, being gay is not a sickness or a perversion. Same for hebephilia (attraction to teenagers), the research I quoted concludes it is a "valid sexual preference".   

Hebephilia activity is against the law of men and God, but it doesn't mean hebephilia (attraction to teenagers) itself is a perversion. 

Like it was for gay marriage, some seculars are now are pushing lawmakers to lower the age of consent age. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmful_to_Minors   

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201702/age-consent-how-old-is-old-enough-sex

I feel it is a valid comparison, for God there is a difference between feelings and activity. 

[The Nehor]

8 minutes ago, SamuelTheLamanite said:

I had no idea. Does that include hebephilia?  

Yes, being gay is not a sickness or a perversion. Same for hebephilia (attraction to teenagers), the research I quoted concludes it is a "valid sexual preference".   

Hebephilia activity is against the law of men and God, but it doesn't mean hebephilia (attraction to teenagers) itself is a perversion. 

Like it was for gay marriage, some seculars are now are pushing lawmakers to lower the age of consent age. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmful_to_Minors   

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201702/age-consent-how-old-is-old-enough-sex

I feel it is a valid comparison, for God there is a difference between feelings and activity. 

Actually God has not spoken in scripture against hebephilia or ephebophilia beyond saying we should honor the law of the land.

What is your point? I get the creepy feeling you just wanted to read about and talk about sex with teenagers.

[SamuelTheLamanite]

5 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Actually God has not spoken in scripture against hebephilia or ephebophilia beyond saying we should honor the law of the land.

What is your point? I get the creepy feeling you just wanted to read about and talk about sex with teenagers.

I was making a comparison. Gay s e x is not okay, ephebophilia is not okay.  Under naturalism gay s e x and ephebophilia activity make evolutionary sense, but not in the eyes of God. 

Yes, thank goodness the law in many states is 18. No one under 18 should be having s e x. However, I have a creepy feeling that the age of consent is going to be lowered in our last days. 

[SamuelTheLamanite]

33 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

That is a lot of words to say younger sexually mature people are more attractive then older ones. So why did you leave out ephebophilia?

Sorry, I thought ephebophilia and hebephilia were the same thing.  

[SamuelTheLamanite]

10 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

What is your point? I get the creepy feeling you just wanted to read about and talk about sex with teenagers.

Okay I think I am offended. I told you for God there is a difference between feelings and activity.  My point is that everyone has challenges. 

I want people to see understand that celibacy may not be a bad thing.  

[Robert F. Smith]

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

The same sex attraction/pedophilia comparison has previously been explicitly banned on this board and, unless the rules have changed, still is. Please don't.

The closest thing I could find in banned topics here is "Sexually themed threads," which is fairly broad.  Is that what you have in mind?

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, SamuelTheLamanite said:

Okay I think I am offended. I told you for God there is a difference between feelings and activity.  My point is that everyone has challenges. 

I want people to see understand that celibacy may not be a bad thing.  

Considering how offensive your thread is there is a rough justice in there.

1 hour ago, SamuelTheLamanite said:

I was making a comparison. Gay s e x is not okay, ephebophilia is not okay.  Under naturalism gay s e x and ephebophilia activity make evolutionary sense, but not in the eyes of God. 

Yes, thank goodness the law in many states is 18. No one under 18 should be having s e x. However, I have a creepy feeling that the age of consent is going to be lowered in our last days. 

Someone else can tell you about Helen Mar Kimball and the normal age of marriage through human history including in societies where God's Law was respected and honored. I just don't have the heart for it.

[Robert F. Smith]

1 hour ago, SamuelTheLamanite said:

I was making a comparison. Gay s e x is not okay, ephebophilia is not okay.  Under naturalism gay s e x and ephebophilia activity make evolutionary sense, but not in the eyes of God. 

Yes, thank goodness the law in many states is 18. No one under 18 should be having s e x. However, I have a creepy feeling that the age of consent is going to be lowered in our last days. 

http://recapp.etr.org/recapp/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.StatisticsDetail&PageID=555 ,

In 2015, 41% of high school students reported having sexual intercourse.

Based on the 2015 Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance (YRBS) data, over half (59%) of all students in grades 9 to 12 indicated that they had not yet had sex.

Between 1991-2015, the proportion of students who ever had sexual intercourse decreased from 54% to 41%.

The percent of adolescents who are having sex at earlier ages has decreased since 1988 and contraceptive use has increased since the 1990s. Together these two factors have contributed to the U.S. reaching its lowest teen pregnancy and birth rates in years.
 

[Tacenda]

11 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Hear, hear!

Let me guess...this guy is an Evangelical that is a former LDS. I've watched him on some interviews. But I could be wrong. If that is the case I'm thinking I'd rather be LDS and not leave this to go to a religion that feels as this person does. No, homosexual/gay people are not pedophiles. Even though he didn't say this outright, it came through. The only pedophiles I'm aware of have been straight, right of the top of my head. 

nix the second portion of this quote, I thought this was someone else. It may still be, but second guessing myself. I'm unable to edit.

[ALarson]

11 hours ago, SamuelTheLamanite said:

Hebephilia activity is against the law of men and God, but it doesn't mean hebephilia (attraction to teenagers) itself is a perversion. 

Well, Hebephilia is not just "attraction to teenagers", but since that's how you've used it, how do you feel about the numerous marriages between Joseph Smith and teenagers if they were against the "law of men and God"?  Also how do you justify the marriages of other early Prophets and church brethren to teenage girls if you believe this is true?

Edited August 21, 2017 by ALarson

[Gray]

It's wildly inappropriate to compare gay people to pedophiles. The church does outreach with LGBT groups to try to foster more compassion - you don't see them doing with NAMBLA. Maybe take a cue from the church and don't equate homosexuality with child rape.

Edited August 21, 2017 by Gray

[USU78]

11 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

http://recapp.etr.org/recapp/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.StatisticsDetail&PageID=555 ,

In 2015, 41% of high school students reported having sexual intercourse.

Based on the 2015 Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance (YRBS) data, over half (59%) of all students in grades 9 to 12 indicated that they had not yet had sex.

Between 1991-2015, the proportion of students who ever had sexual intercourse decreased from 54% to 41%.

The percent of adolescents who are having sex at earlier ages has decreased since 1988 and contraceptive use has increased since the 1990s. Together these two factors have contributed to the U.S. reaching its lowest teen pregnancy and birth rates in years.
 

Cause for celebration, though there is much work to be done.  Would that government, politicians and popular culture were as interested in people's, especially young people's, welfare as the likes of thee.

[USU78]

1 hour ago, Gray said:

[D]on't equate homosexuality with child rape.

Explain, please.

[Gray]

3 minutes ago, USU78 said:

Explain, please.

"Don't equate homosexuality with child rape" pretty much covers it.