stemelbow Posted July 18, 2017 Author Posted July 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, cinepro said: Here's the whole post that's making the rounds. The short version is: - The Old Testament/ Mosaic Law prohibits homosexuality, but there are tons of provisions of the Mosaic Law that we don't follow. - The Book of Mormon doesn't mention it. - She doesn't think homosexuality is a "sin", and hopes for a future OD3-type reversal that changes the policies and doctrines. Honestly, after reading that, I would have huge concerns if this person were teaching my children in college. Not for what she says, but for how she says it. That is not a college-level presentation of ideas. SUre if she taught that in class. Not so sure if she posted it on facebook.
cinepro Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, ksfisher said: So there is more than just this one facebook post possibly going on here. I doubt BYU-I knew about her recent Reddit history. But if they look into it, it will probably only reinforce their concerns. From the past two weeks... Quote "All organized religion is corrupt. " "Currently an exmo living in [Idaho]... and it's rough at my age (23). Everyone close to my age is likely to be a BYUI student. Luckily I went to school here and so I've got one or two friends that still talk to me after leaving the church.. but it's really tough to make friends, and dating is basically impossible." "So I've been mentally out for about 6 months now, also inactive but haven't told my family or decided if I'm going to pull my records."
stemelbow Posted July 18, 2017 Author Posted July 18, 2017 25 minutes ago, cinepro said: Also, it would appear that the author of that post also posts on the exmormon subreddit with the username "exmofeministq", so I wouldn't have expected her to last long teaching at a Church school under any circumstances. Based on her posting history in the last few weeks, if support for the Church in general is a pre-requisite to teaching at BYU-I, then her time was short in any event... She is? hmm...
stemelbow Posted July 18, 2017 Author Posted July 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, cinepro said: I doubt BYU-I knew about her recent Reddit history. But if they look into it, it will probably only reinforce their concerns. From the past two weeks... Quote All organized religion is corrupt. " "Currently an exmo living in [Idaho]... and it's rough at my age (23). Everyone close to my age is likely to be a BYUI student. Luckily I went to school here and so I've got one or two friends that still talk to me after leaving the church.. but it's really tough to make friends, and dating is basically impossible." "So I've been mentally out for about 6 months now, also inactive but haven't told my family or decided if I'm going to pull my records." well, what the heck? if that's her, then what's she trying to pull here? The news report made it that she has no intention of leaving the Church. Ah well. she probably wanted out of teaching there.
ksfisher Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 2 hours ago, stemelbow said: I'm curious how BYU-I's action here works with Elder Christofferson's earlier claim: The context of Elder Christofferson's remarks would seem to be church membership, not employment. Elder D. Todd Christofferson, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, one of the church's highest offices, told KUTV in 2015 that Mormons would not have their membership endangered by posting support of same-sex marriage on social media. "There hasn't been any litmus test or standard imposed that you couldn't support that if you want to support it, if that's your belief and you think it's right," Christofferson said after a Jan. 27 news conference, reported by KUTV media partner The Salt Lake Tribune. Christofferson was not asked and did not address what was appropriate for church employees. http://kutv.com/news/local/byu-idaho-fires-an-adjunct-professor-after-lgbt-pride-month-post-on-facebook 2News asked Christofferson if supporting gay marriage would threaten somebody's membership in the church if they actively advocated for it, perhaps on social media. “That's not an organized effort to attack our effort or attack our functioning as a church, if you will,” he said. So can LDS members hold political beliefs even though they're different from what church leaders teach from the pulpit? “Yes,” said Christofferson. http://kutv.com/news/local/lds-apostle-explains-church39s-evolution-on-lgbt-issues-says-members39-politics-may-differ-from-doctrine 2
thesometimesaint Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 1 minute ago, stemelbow said: SUre if she taught that in class. Not so sure if she posted it on facebook. Say if I worked for the XYZ company. I was a good employee when on the job. However when in public I bad mouthed my employer and his/her company.. How long should I keep my job?
ksfisher Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, cinepro said: I doubt BYU-I knew about her recent Reddit history. But if they look into it, it will probably only reinforce their concerns. From the past two weeks... She states that she's been inactive for six months. A quick call to her bishop could have easily made this clear and may have contributed to the decision. 1
Johnnie Cake Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 This level of monitoring of ones private online posting is Orwellian. I now know of at least one person who was excommunicated for what they posted in their private FB page and now someone has lost their job due to their private FB posts. Why this does not scare and upset the living heck out of every believing member of the church is beyond me.
ksfisher Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: This level of monitoring of ones private online posting is Orwellian. I now know of at least one person who was excommunicated for what they posted in their private FB page and now someone has lost their job due to their private FB posts. Why this does not scare and upset the living heck out of every believing member of the church is beyond me. What level of monitoring is going on? Are you aware how the post came to the attention of BYU administration? Anything posted privately is nothing more than a copy and paste or a share away from being made public by one of your "friends." Edited July 18, 2017 by ksfisher For clarifty. 2
Gray Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: You do know what a metaphor is don't you? She is pretending to be a devout Saint to secure employment from the Church. She used that position to teach false doctrine. Edit: nevermind, didn't have the whole story. Edited July 18, 2017 by Gray
ksfisher Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 17 minutes ago, Duncan said: She's FB friends with someone I know Don Cherry?
Duncan Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, ksfisher said: Don Cherry? Don Cherry!!!!!! bite you're tongue you will! no, her name is Penelope Applebottom
Calm Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 3 hours ago, stemelbow said: I do and disagree. She can teach just as ably no matter her view. As she said, she doesn't discuss it in class. This may or may not be accurate
Calm Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, cinepro said: I doubt BYU-I knew about her recent Reddit history. But if they look into it, it will probably only reinforce their concerns. From the past two weeks... Are you sure this is the same person? 1
hope_for_things Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, stemelbow said: It's a good question to pose to society. As a Church are we equally comfortable with our local leaders using social media screening to decide callings, or determine Church membership status? I ask because our stake has been adamant over the past few years in telling us they watch our social media for problematic opinions. Yikes, I've never heard of local leaders specifically talking about reviewing how people use social media as a practice, is this something that they actually articulated over the pulpit? If so, that is pretty disappointing, I would have a major problem with that being an official practice for any leadership to employ at church.
hagoth7 Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, ksfisher said: What if this was an airline exec who was posting online urging friends and family to fly other airlines? If I had good cause to *know* that a friend woudl be better served on a different flight...especially one that went somewhere they needed to be that my airline temporarily didn't fly....you bet I'd pat him/her on the back and wish them an awesome journey. And encourage them to come fly with us soon. Edited July 18, 2017 by hagoth7
hope_for_things Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, ksfisher said: If she had wanted her views to remain private she should not have shared them on the public internet. So, you didn't answer my question about whether you support this kind of an ethic being employed by businesses and church's as a practice. Can you clarify? If you are in favor of this as a practice, would you be supportive of a business that is in favor of LGBT issues, firing employees that make posts on social media that are against same sex marriage or other related LGBT topics that are frequently discussed? Just curious, because there are plenty of anti LGBT social media posts out there, and plenty of businesses that are pro LGBT issues that could fire employees for taking the other side of this position. 3
Calm Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 "Ruthie Robertson, an adjunct professor of political science -- one of the school's youngest -- taught that final class last week." "She believes a former roommate who’d called her out for previous posts on feminism was likely the one who brought the LGBT post to BYUI’s attention." According to her opinion, BYUI was not monitoring. "While attending BYU, Robertson said she was a teaching aid for two years and started teaching POLSC170 for her internship. She was hired in December, 2016 to teach online at BYU-Idaho and started on campus in April, 2017." There is not a lot of motivation there to keep her on, as far as I can see. She has no graduate degree and her only college experience is from BYUI. She looks like an easy to find hire (TA, had been teaching as part of internship), which means easy to go.
hagoth7 Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, hagoth7 said: If I had good cause to *know* that a friend woudl be better served on a different flight...especially one that went somewhere they needed to be that my airline temporarily didn't fly....you bet I'd pat him/her on the back and wish them an awesome journey. And encourage them to come fly with us soon. I'll up the ante on that a bit. I'd even encourage someone who wasn't sure how they felt about hhe airline to fly a competing airline (visit another faith) to quell their doubts one way or the other or simply to have joy in the journey from a different perspective...and ask them to compare, and come back if they didn't find comparable service/value/joy. Ditto for people who don't appreciate their country. Go vsit other regions, and you'll likely come beck a bit more humble, with a greater appreciation for what you have where you are...and a greater appreciation for a broader sense of mankind. Edited July 18, 2017 by hagoth7
Bobbieaware Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, ksfisher said: She states that she's been inactive for six months. A quick call to her bishop could have easily made this clear and may have contributed to the decision. It's interesting how the article makes it a point to indicate she has a current temple recommend -- apparently in an attempt to underscore her worthiness and mainstream status within the Church -- but then fails to mention she's been inactive for six months. In light of her inactivity, her decision to separate herself from the body of the saints, and her deliberately provocative Facebook post, I would't be at all surprised if it turns out she's been setting the table for another public and (after her story goes viral) highly sensationalized exit from the Church by another in a growing line of de acto apostates. Edited July 18, 2017 by Bobbieaware
ksfisher Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, hope_for_things said: So, you didn't answer my question about whether you support this kind of an ethic being employed by businesses and church's as a practice. Can you clarify? If you are in favor of this as a practice, would you be supportive of a business that is in favor of LGBT issues, firing employees that make posts on social media that are against same sex marriage or other related LGBT topics that are frequently discussed? Just curious, because there are plenty of anti LGBT social media posts out there, and plenty of businesses that are pro LGBT issues that could fire employees for taking the other side of this position. I'm saying once the cat's out of the bag you can't pretend you never saw it, regardless of how it got out. As to your question, no, I didn't answer it. Edited July 18, 2017 by ksfisher
Garden Girl Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Duncan said: I wonder who read it as she says that no students are FB friends with her Just for info, Duncan, I read a lot of FB comments/sites of those I am not "friends" with, just to see what their positions or thoughts are... GG 2
hope_for_things Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, ksfisher said: I'm saying once the cat's out of the bag you can't pretend you never saw it. As to your question, no, I didn't answer it. I'm guessing you've made statements on this message board that aren't very LGBT affirming in the past. Would you support your employer using that public evidence as cause to fire you?
Calm Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 So if it is the person cinepro claims, there is much more going on than just this post. "I wish I could find a way to move. I'm broke as ******, working as a bartender because I got fired from my teaching job with CES." She goes on in other posts about her disbelief, disconnecting with family, enjoyment of alcohol, and other things.
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