Duncan Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 I know that Elder John W. Taylor formerly of the Twelve was exed and then re-baptized decades later but is re-baptism a possibility for others were excommunicated? How would you even go about that? or what about disfellowshipped people? Like, let's say Great Aunt Matilda was exed or disfellowshipped, could she be rebaptized or re-enter the Church posthumously?
rongo Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 Yes. It is authorized by the First Presidency, and if approved, directed to be done in the Salt Lake Temple. Albert Carrington was excommunicated as an apostle for adultery. He asked President Grant if he could be buried in his temple clothes, but died before he had restoration of blessings performed. President Grant laid hands on his corpse so that this could be done. While irregular, it shows that a lot of things can be done, if authorized. 4
JAHS Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 According to the handbook, First Presidency approval is required to perform temple ordinances for deceased persons who, at the time of their death, were excommunicated or had their names removed from Church membership records. 1
Coreyb Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 Even John D. Lee was re-baptized posthumously 1
JLHPROF Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 I think you answered your own question. If Elder Taylor can be rebaptized posthumously after being excommunicated so can anyone with the right priesthood approval. How one would go about getting that approval I do not know.
Storm Rider Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 It also happens for those who have had their name removed from the records of the Church. Additionally, there are times when the baptisms occur without having first received authorization.
JAHS Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 1 hour ago, JLHPROF said: I think you answered your own question. If Elder Taylor can be rebaptized posthumously after being excommunicated so can anyone with the right priesthood approval. How one would go about getting that approval I do not know. Again, according to the Handbook: "A letter should be written to the Office of the First Presidency. No form is required." Doesn't say anymore than that.
JLHPROF Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 1 hour ago, rongo said: Albert Carrington was excommunicated as an apostle for adultery. He asked President Grant if he could be buried in his temple clothes, but died before he had restoration of blessings performed. President Grant laid hands on his corpse so that this could be done. While irregular, it shows that a lot of things can be done, if authorized. He had already been rebaptized prior to his death but had not received a restoration of blessings or even the Melchizedek Priesthood.
Johnnie Cake Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 It seems a bit ridiculous and an affront to the wishes of the deceased party who took the time to resign their membership from the church that family would take the step to override those wishes and have them posthumously rebaptised. However as someone who believes that consciousness and life ends with death, if it gives peace to the living...who cares...although I see it as a complete waist of time that could otherwise be used actually doing good for the living.
guerreiro9 Posted September 17, 2016 Posted September 17, 2016 13 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: ...although I see it as a complete waist of time that could otherwise be used actually doing good for the living. For someone so interested in how others spend their time you sure spend a lot of time complaining on an internet forum of a religion you don't believe in... -guerreiro9 1
thatjimguy Posted September 17, 2016 Posted September 17, 2016 The idea of the Baptism of the Dead is to give hope to the living for their loved ones that do not embrace the religion. A contrast to most other religions that would otherwise say they simply are damned to hell for all eternity. Ironic that we have this beautiful ordinance, yet I've heard stories of families split apart because someone breaks away from the religion.
Duncan Posted September 17, 2016 Author Posted September 17, 2016 7 hours ago, thatjimguy said: The idea of the Baptism of the Dead is to give hope to the living for their loved ones that do not embrace the religion. A contrast to most other religions that would otherwise say they simply are damned to hell for all eternity. Ironic that we have this beautiful ordinance, yet I've heard stories of families split apart because someone breaks away from the religion. I think the whole concept of baptizing the dead or preaching to the spirits in Heaven is just amazing as well. My non member Aunt doesn't want us to baptize her when she is gone but we are going to do it anyway just to make her mad 2
Garden Girl Posted September 17, 2016 Posted September 17, 2016 On 9/16/2016 at 7:27 AM, Johnnie Cake said: It seems a bit ridiculous and an affront to the wishes of the deceased party who took the time to resign their membership from the church that family would take the step to override those wishes and have them posthumously rebaptised. 9 hours ago, thatjimguy said: The idea of the Baptism of the Dead is to give hope to the living for their loved ones that do not embrace the religion. A contrast to most other religions that would otherwise say they simply are damned to hell for all eternity. Ironic that we have this beautiful ordinance, yet I've heard stories of families split apart because someone breaks away from the religion. My view is, many times these deceased relatives who removed their names really don't know or have a concept of what lies beyond the veil, or what they would want once they find out... some say, don't baptize me... but I can see how happy they would be upon realizing that an ordinance is required, i.e., baptizing or sealing in order to reach their highest potential, to find out that such an ordinance had been completed on their behalf. So I do my family history work with faith, and if something happens it is not needed or has no effect... so what... no harm was done. What frustrates me are the new guidelines that prevent me from doing certain work even though I realize the guidelines are trying to prevent difficulties in families that do not want such work performed. GG 2
Johnnie Cake Posted September 19, 2016 Posted September 19, 2016 Quote For someone so interested in how others spend their time you sure spend a lot of time complaining on an internet forum of a religion you don't believe in... -guerreiro9 Merely expressing my opinion...of which you are free to reject
Sleeper Cell Posted September 20, 2016 Posted September 20, 2016 On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Johnnie Cake said: It seems a bit ridiculous and an affront to the wishes of the deceased party who took the time to resign their membership from the church that family would take the step to override those wishes and have them posthumously rebaptised. However as someone who believes that consciousness and life ends with death, if it gives peace to the living...who cares...although I see it as a complete waist of time that could otherwise be used actually doing good for the living. And as someone who believes in life after death, if the resigned member goes to heaven, I suspect he would be inclined to be very forgiving -- even if the LDS church turns out to be wrong. If the resigned member does not go to heaven, I suspect that having been posthumously baptized against his wishes would be the least of his concerns. 1
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