cdowis Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 5 hours ago, mnn727 said: Resignations are good for both parties. 1. it releases a non-believing person from the Covenants they have made that they are no longer following. I would put this in a different way. It gives the non-believer the false sense of security that they are no longer bound by a covenant. The covenant remains, the obligation remains, but, like a certain individual said, "You mean wipe, like with a cloth?" 1
Calm Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 My mom made the best homemade thousand island dressing and she would put it on our hamburgers as a special treat. I have used it so for years, but never noticed my husband doing it. I will have to ask him if his obsession with fry sauce is a culinary or tribal characteristic.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Calm said: My husband is inordinately proud of fry sauce though we never actually bought any until recently that I remember. One of the mysteries of life. Like poutine. Poutine? Now that there looks good! (Just Googled it.) Fries and cheese curds covered with brown gravy and drizzled with ketchup. Yum.
Calm Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 Now ginger beef! That is something Canada can be proud of (Calgary, Canada to be precise). Best nonChinese Chinese food ever. I just don't understand how it has not made it cross border yet.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, Calm said: Now ginger beef! That is something Canada can be proud of (Calgary, Canada to be precise). Best nonChinese Chinese food ever. I just don't understand how it has not made it cross border yet. If it's from Alberta, it could almost be considered Mormon cuisine. (Yeah, a stretch; I know.)
UtahTexan Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 7 hours ago, ttribe said: Oh, never mind. Continue on with your broad-brush judgments based on severely limited information. in your opinion......but thanks.
UtahTexan Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 6 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: I agree with you, ttribe. As I state above, empirically, I find certain problems with CountryBoy's "evidence" in this "case." If he tried to introduce it in court, I would object to it if I were an opposing attorney; and if I were a judge, I'm fairly certain I wouldn't allow it to be presented. On the other hand, if he's been successful in overcoming any objections by opposing counsel and in persuading another judge to allow it, more power to him. That doesn't mean that you and I have to agree; but perhaps we can live and let live. It would be admitted...because it IS evidence. If I had a witness who could testify to a whopping 6500 people asserting something, it would be admitted. It would be YOUR job to convince the jury that the evidence was not sufficient.
UtahTexan Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 2 hours ago, USU78 said: I just wanted to let you all know that, as an attorney having been in this miserable business since 1984, I have no choice but to agree with CountryBoy. There are a lot of miserable, nasty things that go on in the practice, and there are a lot of miserable, nasty people engaged in the practice. This guy's religio-political gamesmanship, when viewed under the lens of cui bono, leads to one and only one conclusion. Thank you
UtahTexan Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 about fry-sauce.... when I moved to Utah, I asked some folks, "Texas is known for Mexican Food, BBQ, Steak, Whataburger and picante sauce. What is Utah known for? I was told "Fry-Sauce" And to think I am planning to live here the rest of my life....... Heavy sigh
Scott Lloyd Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, CountryBoy said: about fry-sauce.... when I moved to Utah, I asked some folks, "Texas is known for Mexican Food, BBQ, Steak, Whataburger and picante sauce. What is Utah known for? I was told "Fry-Sauce" And to think I am planning to live here the rest of my life....... Heavy sigh If you can't get fry sauce in Texas, how fortunate for you that you now live in a locale where all of the things you mention above are plentiful and readily available. Welcome!
UtahTexan Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: If you can't get fry sauce in Texas, how fortunate for you that you now live in a locale where all of the things you mention above are plentiful and readily available. Welcome! if I could just find some decent BBQ and Mexican Food! 1
Okrahomer Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 14 minutes ago, CountryBoy said: if I could just find some decent BBQ and Mexican Food! My wife is from Dallas and she really likes Red Iguana for Mexican in SLC. My personal favorite for BBQ is Bam Bam's on State Street in South Orem, just as you head down the hill into Provo.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 17 minutes ago, CountryBoy said: if I could just find some decent BBQ and Mexican Food! There's a Mexican restaurant on every street corner in Utah (where I live, at least) and you can't find any "decent Mexican food"? That astounds me. Admittedly, I am not an afficianado of Mexican food.
UtahTexan Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, Okrahomer said: My wife is from Dallas and she really likes Red Iguana for Mexican in SLC. My personal favorite for BBQ is Bam Bam's on State Street in South Orem, just as you head down the hill into Provo. Red Iguana is ok....but not real.....it is what I do in a pinch. I have heard Bam Bam is good...have not tried it yet. Have tried others in SLC and North..like Layton, I think.....
UtahTexan Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: There's a Mexican restaurant on every street corner in Utah (where I live, at least) and you can't find any "decent Mexican food"? That astounds me. Admittedly, I am not an afficianado of Mexican food. lol.....it takes a lot to a guy who grew up on it....lived in Central America, worked in a Hispanic Law firm, and lived near the Hispanic part of Dallas
Analytics Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 21 hours ago, ttribe said: Oh really? All those people live in Utah? That would be new information to me. Let's do some math, though. First, let's assume you are correct and all 6500 were in Utah, the current population of which is 2.943 million. That means these 6500 people represent .26%. This "sample" also wasn't random, which further renders extremely suspect how much it represents the population. Do you really want to keep doing this? BTW, I believe we were talking about the sample of people on this board who have responded to you as being the Utah people, not the 6500. Please don't conflate the evidence, counselor. Just some technical notes about this. 6,500 being only 0.26% of 2.943 million tells us absolutely nothing about whether it's a credible sample size. 6,500 could be a credible sample of 2.943 million Utahns, and it could also be a credible sample of the 7.125 billion humans on the planet. Whether it is credible depends upon two things: 1- is it a random sample of the population, and 2- what is the probability of the characteristic we're talking about? The church has said that 70% of the people in Utah are members, but when surveys are done, only about 50% of Utahns self-identify as members. That indicates that 2 out of every 7 people in Utah, or about 800,000 people, are folks who left the church, but still have their names on the roles. If Country Boy's evidence of Utahns not being independent is the 6,500 people who left the church with the assistance of an attorney, my counter-evidence is the 800,000 people who left the church by just walking away and not giving it a second thought. But in any case, the 6,500 people who resigned with the help of this attorney is a self-selected group. The characteristics of that group tell us nothing about the rest of the population, other than the fact that the rest of the population didn't self-select into that group also. 1
Analytics Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 A fry sauce story. My daughter was born in Utah, but we moved away before she turned 2. Ten years later, we found ourselves living in Texas, and my daughter became good friends with a girl there. We later found out that her friend not only was also from Utah, but had lived a couple blocks from where we had lived in Sugar House. We eventually met the parents, who told us they weren't Mormons. As we got to know them better, they clarified that there names were probably on the roles somewhere, but they had just walked away and didn't think there was any reason to bother resigning formally. I can't blame them for that. Getting back on topic, a big group of these 12-year olds were at a birthday party and went to Whataburger. My daughter came home really excited and said, "The most amazing thing happened. We were at Whataburger, and my friend decided to mix ketchup and mayo and dip her fries in it. She called it fry sauce. It's the best thing I've EVER had!!!! My friend loved it and I loved it, but all of the other kids hated it. It really is great though. You have to try it!" She had no idea it was a Utah thing until I then explained it to her. But the question remains: what is the chance that the only person at the party that tried this fry sauce and liked it was also born in Utah? Is there something in the mountain air that infects you to like it? 3
ttribe Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 35 minutes ago, Analytics said: Just some technical notes about this. 6,500 being only 0.26% of 2.943 million tells us absolutely nothing about whether it's a credible sample size. 6,500 could be a credible sample of 2.943 million Utahns, and it could also be a credible sample of the 7.125 billion humans on the planet. Whether it is credible depends upon two things: 1- is it a random sample of the population, and 2- what is the probability of the characteristic we're talking about? The church has said that 70% of the people in Utah are members, but when surveys are done, only about 50% of Utahns self-identify as members. That indicates that 2 out of every 7 people in Utah, or about 800,000 people, are folks who left the church, but still have their names on the roles. If Country Boy's evidence of Utahns not being independent is the 6,500 people who left the church with the assistance of an attorney, my counter-evidence is the 800,000 people who left the church by just walking away and not giving it a second thought. But in any case, the 6,500 people who resigned with the help of this attorney is a self-selected group. The characteristics of that group tell us nothing about the rest of the population, other than the fact that the rest of the population didn't self-select into that group also. I know that, and you know that, but the point was that 6,500 was still damn small (contrary to CB's touting of the stat as being large enough to be credible in his mind). 1
Analytics Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 48 minutes ago, ttribe said: I know that, and you know that, but the point was that 6,500 was still damn small (contrary to CB's touting of the stat as being large enough to be credible in his mind). His argument is pretty bizarre. He seems to be saying that since 6,500 Utahns did something he considers weak, the other three million that didn't do it must be weak too.
UtahTexan Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Analytics said: Just some technical notes about this. 6,500 being only 0.26% of 2.943 million tells us absolutely nothing about whether it's a credible sample size. 6,500 could be a credible sample of 2.943 million Utahns, and it could also be a credible sample of the 7.125 billion humans on the planet. Whether it is credible depends upon two things: 1- is it a random sample of the population, and 2- what is the probability of the characteristic we're talking about? The church has said that 70% of the people in Utah are members, but when surveys are done, only about 50% of Utahns self-identify as members. That indicates that 2 out of every 7 people in Utah, or about 800,000 people, are folks who left the church, but still have their names on the roles. If Country Boy's evidence of Utahns not being independent is the 6,500 people who left the church with the assistance of an attorney, my counter-evidence is the 800,000 people who left the church by just walking away and not giving it a second thought. But in any case, the 6,500 people who resigned with the help of this attorney is a self-selected group. The characteristics of that group tell us nothing about the rest of the population, other than the fact that the rest of the population didn't self-select into that group also. I did not say it was a huge sample...I said it would be enough to be evidence in court... 6500 people who were too weak to leave a church without help..geez.
UtahTexan Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Analytics said: A fry sauce story. My daughter was born in Utah, but we moved away before she turned 2. Ten years later, we found ourselves living in Texas, and my daughter became good friends with a girl there. We later found out that her friend not only was also from Utah, but had lived a couple blocks from where we had lived in Sugar House. We eventually met the parents, who told us they weren't Mormons. As we got to know them better, they clarified that there names were probably on the roles somewhere, but they had just walked away and didn't think there was any reason to bother resigning formally. I can't blame them for that. Getting back on topic, a big group of these 12-year olds were at a birthday party and went to Whataburger. My daughter came home really excited and said, "The most amazing thing happened. We were at Whataburger, and my friend decided to mix ketchup and mayo and dip her fries in it. She called it fry sauce. It's the best thing I've EVER had!!!! My friend loved it and I loved it, but all of the other kids hated it. It really is great though. You have to try it!" She had no idea it was a Utah thing until I then explained it to her. But the question remains: what is the chance that the only person at the party that tried this fry sauce and liked it was also born in Utah? Is there something in the mountain air that infects you to like it? lol...when my youngest got out of the Navy last Oct, he moved here to Utah. He loved it...then was sooo excited to find it in a bottle at the store..... Edited March 2, 2016 by CountryBoy
UtahTexan Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 2 hours ago, ttribe said: I know that, and you know that, but the point was that 6,500 was still damn small (contrary to CB's touting of the stat as being large enough to be credible in his mind). oh...the non-attorney speaks again about evidence..makes me chuckle
UtahTexan Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Analytics said: His argument is pretty bizarre. He seems to be saying that since 6,500 Utahns did something he considers weak, the other three million that didn't do it must be weak too. my argument is about these 6500. and how bizarre it is that 6500 people were too weak to quit by themselves. 1
Analytics Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, CountryBoy said: my argument is about these 6500. and how bizarre it is that 6500 people were too weak to quit by themselves. Well, I'll have to concede that 6,500 people is in fact a large enough sample size to make some definitive statements about a population of the same 6,500 people. Since the fry sauce put me in a story telling mood, I'll tell you I quit the good old fashioned way with a letter to my branch president. I handed the letter to him personally, in fact. He later came to talk to me about it. Trying to be a nice guy, I said I'd be willing to talk to him. He tried to talk me out of it. He bore his testimony to me. He pleaded with me not to go through with it. And then he literally cried, begging me not to go through with it. I looked him in the eye, and told him my mind was made up. I told him to do his duty, fill out the paperwork, and send it to the stake president. That makes me strong (or at least not weak), right? I'm a regular tough guy--just like you. So speaking from one tough guy to another, does it really make somebody weak to take the most efficient option available to get something done? Edited March 2, 2016 by Analytics
Kenngo1969 Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 5 hours ago, CountryBoy said: It would be admitted...because it IS evidence. If I had a witness who could testify to a whopping 6500 people asserting something, it would be admitted. It would be YOUR job to convince the jury that the evidence was not sufficient. It's a moot point, because I'm not an attorney, but if I were, I think I could convince any judge but Judge Lance Ito that it should not be admitted. We'll simply have to agree to disagree: I'm completely OK with that; are you?
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