VideoGameJunkie Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Warren Jeffs practices polygamy, so did he get that influence from past church practices and D&C 132? And he married teenage brides, so did he get the influence to do that from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young who did the same? If the church never practiced polygamy, would there be no FLDS and no victims of Warren Jeffs polygamy in today's world? The FLDS claim polygamy is still doctrinal and practice it. Where did they get their influence to practice it?
RevTestament Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Just like the Nephites who abused it, so Jeffs' group abuses it. They don't follow D&C132 apparently judging by all the reports of girls being forced to marry against their will - they are chosen by Jeffs instead as to who they will marry. D&C 132 indicates it should be a free will arrangement by all parties to be without sin. They turned it into something disgusting on the principle that they are building their "kingdom." I believe they will pay dearly in the hereafter. 1
Popular Post JLHPROF Posted January 23, 2016 Popular Post Posted January 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Warren Jeffs practices polygamy, so did he get that influence from past church practices and D&C 132? And he married teenage brides, so did he get the influence to do that from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young who did the same? If the church never practiced polygamy, would there be no FLDS and no victims of Warren Jeffs polygamy in today's world? The FLDS claim polygamy is still doctrinal and practice it. Where did they get their influence to practice it? Fundamentalist Mormons trace their history (and most trace their authority claims) back to the Church around the turn of the century. As for Warren Jeffs - he is merely an example of how corruption occurs over time once the influence and authority of God is removed. It happens in history. Read up on the great apostasy and the corruption of Christianity during the Middle Ages. Or the changes in Judaism after Israel entered the Holy Land down to the days of Christ. Blaming the LDS Church polygamous origins for the corruption of polygamy by Warren Jeffs is like blaming Christ and Peter for the Spanish Inquisition. 5
VideoGameJunkie Posted January 23, 2016 Author Posted January 23, 2016 21 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Fundamentalist Mormons trace their history (and most trace their authority claims) back to the Church around the turn of the century. As for Warren Jeffs - he is merely an example of how corruption occurs over time once the influence and authority of God is removed. It happens in history. Read up on the great apostasy and the corruption of Christianity during the Middle Ages. Or the changes in Judaism after Israel entered the Holy Land down to the days of Christ. Blaming the LDS Church polygamous origins for the corruption of polygamy by Warren Jeffs is like blaming Christ and Peter for the Spanish Inquisition. Thanks. I just saw the movie Prophet's Prey on Showtime so I was wondering where their origins on polygamy came from. I see they definitely corrupted the teaching.
JLHPROF Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 1 minute ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Thanks. I just saw the movie Prophet's Prey on Showtime so I was wondering where their origins on polygamy came from. I see they definitely corrupted the teaching. Nothing like a tv movie to get all the facts wrong.
VideoGameJunkie Posted January 23, 2016 Author Posted January 23, 2016 Just now, JLHPROF said: Nothing like a tv movie to get all the facts wrong. Did you see it? Is it wrong?
halconero Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 The origin of a practice can be revealed and pure, yet the practice still become corrupted and evil. You could point to a number of practices and events in Christendom in the manipulations of tithes, righteous war, baptism, etc. 1
JLHPROF Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 1 minute ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Did you see it? Is it wrong? No idea, but I've seen many of these - In God's Country, Outlaw Prophet, Escape From Polygamy, Lifting the Veil. Half the time they can't even get Joseph Smith's name right let alone any facts. And since Krakauer was involved with this one I don't hold out high hopes. Not exactly rushing to see it. His book was bad enough. If you want to see what modern polygamy really looks like Polygamy USA, Sister Wives, Big Love, etc all come much closer to the polygamists I've been acquainted with over the years. 1
halconero Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 /\ In the words of my pseudo-uncle from Creston, whose dad and half-brother were and are polygamists, "they're kinda weird, and it isn't right as far as the priesthood keys go, but they aren't bad dudes." 1
Tacenda Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 1 hour ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Did you see it? Is it wrong? It's more a documentary, and true.
Sleeper Cell Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 6 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Warren Jeffs practices polygamy, so did he get that influence from past church practices and D&C 132? And he married teenage brides, so did he get the influence to do that from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young who did the same? If the church never practiced polygamy, would there be no FLDS and no victims of Warren Jeffs polygamy in today's world? The FLDS claim polygamy is still doctrinal and practice it. Where did they get their influence to practice it? And “past church practices and D&C 132" got "that influence” from the Bible. Had Biblical prophets and patriarchs not practiced polygamy, would Joseph Smith and Brigham Young have done so? Of course, why stop there? Had God acted sooner to enable Sarah to have Isaac …
BookofMormonLuvr Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 From his own sick mind. His father didn't practice or teach what he does and most certainly Leroy Johnson did not.
thesometimesaint Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 7 hours ago, Tacenda said: Easy answer ... yes. Polygamy is in the Bible.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Fundamentalist Mormons trace their history (and most trace their authority claims) back to the Church around the turn of the century. As for Warren Jeffs - he is merely an example of how corruption occurs over time once the influence and authority of God is removed. It happens in history. Read up on the great apostasy and the corruption of Christianity during the Middle Ages. Or the changes in Judaism after Israel entered the Holy Land down to the days of Christ. Blaming the LDS Church polygamous origins for the corruption of polygamy by Warren Jeffs is like blaming Christ and Peter for the Spanish Inquisition. The AUB and Centennial Park (in particular) seem to still be fairing very well, and I assume you believe they have lost authority. Not all groups are the Warren Jeff's FLDS or the Kingstons. But I am not telling you something you don't already know. Edited January 23, 2016 by BookofMormonLuvr
ALarson Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 25 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: Polygamy is in the Bible. Not lived in the manner that Joseph Smith lived it. And, polyandry was not in the Bible either. But there are entire threads dedicated to this subject on here.
thesometimesaint Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 23 minutes ago, ALarson said: Not lived in the manner that Joseph Smith lived it. And, polyandry was not in the Bible either. But there are entire threads dedicated to this subject on here. CFR.
ALarson Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: CFR. CFR for what? That polyandry is not in the Bible or that Joseph lived polygamy different (which included polyandry, so that's what made it different right there) than it was lived in the Bible? Either is pretty obvious, but let me know what you're referring to. Thanks!! Edited to add: I'm going to be gone for the day, but will check back on here later. I just wanted to let you know, thesometimesaint, that I'm not ignoring any of your responses Edited January 23, 2016 by ALarson
thesometimesaint Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Polygamy... more than one living wife. Polyandry... marrying another man''s wife. Both are throughout the Bible.
longview Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 11 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: Polygamy... more than one living wife. Polyandry... marrying another man''s wife. Both are throughout the Bible. Spiritual sealings as well as: Levirate marriage The custom of a widow marrying her deceased husband’s brother or sometimes a near heir. The word has nothing to do with the name Levi or the biblical Levites but is so called because of the Latin levir, meaning “husband’s brother,” connected with the English suffix -ate, thus constituting levirate. This system of marriage is designated inDeut. 25:5–10 (see also Gen. 38:8), is spoken of in Matt. 22:23–33; it also forms a major aspect of the story of Ruth (Ruth 4:1–12).
ALarson Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, thesometimesaint said: Polygamy... more than one living wife. Polyandry... marrying another man''s wife. Both are throughout the Bible. I said in the same manner it was lived in the Bible. Which woman in the Bible was married to two husbands? I don't recall any, but I'm always willing to learn and concede when I'm wrong. (And, I'm really off of here for the day now ) Edited January 23, 2016 by ALarson Add a question
Storm Rider Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 1 hour ago, thesometimesaint said: Polygamy is in the Bible. You are not supposed to bring that up! It puts a wrench in the silly argument that polygamy is not of God, not practiced by God's people, etc. And it makes that whole argument of trying to paint the Church in a bad light more difficult. Shame on you.
thesometimesaint Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, ALarson said: I said in the same manner it was lived in the Bible. Please clarify.
thesometimesaint Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Storm Rider said: You are not supposed to bring that up! It puts a wrench in the silly argument that polygamy is not of God, not practiced by God's people, etc. And it makes that whole argument of trying to paint the Church in a bad light more difficult. Shame on you. 20 lashes with a wet noodle.
thesometimesaint Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 32 minutes ago, ALarson said: I said in the same manner it was lived in the Bible. Which woman in the Bible was married to two husbands? I don't recall any, but I'm always willing to learn and concede when I'm wrong. (And, I'm really off of here for the day now ) David married Saul's wives.
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