VideoGameJunkie Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) Many other religions, including Catholics believe there is no marriage in heaven because Jesus said about heaven; “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30). Now I know that Jesus meant something differently because we have the 1,000 year Millenium to get married, but it's caused people today to worry and believe that everyone will be single for the eternities. It made me wonder, are LDS the only religion that believes in eternal marriage? Edited December 7, 2015 by VideoGameJunkie
bluebell Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 I think we are the only church who has eternal marriage as a doctrine. However, there are a lot of religious people who believe they will be with their spouse in heaven as husband and wife, even though their churches don't teach that, and even though some of them were married by priests who specifically used the 'until death do we part' line during the ceremony. I think i've only met one person so far who denies any familial ties in heaven and she is a seventh day adventist (and a wonderful woman). I don't know if that's reflective of her church's doctrine or if it's her interpretation.
Rivers Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) I think LDS are are the only Christian church that have a theology about marriage playing a central role in heaven. However I am sure many other induvidual Christian people believe that they will stick around with their spouses in the next life. Edited December 7, 2015 by Rivers
VideoGameJunkie Posted December 7, 2015 Author Posted December 7, 2015 Right. I got into a conversation with a Catholic who told me there will be no marriage in heaven because there will be no need for procreation. Then I went on to explain what we believe about exaltation and eternal increase.
Storm Rider Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 There is a huge difference between what a specific church teaches and what its members believe. I have talked to many people of other churches who believe they will be with their spouse in heaven. However, I am not familiar with a Protestant church that teaches that we may be married, remain a couple, in heaven. 1
saemo Posted December 7, 2015 Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) 22 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Right. I got into a conversation with a Catholic who told me there will be no marriage in heaven because there will be no need for procreation. Then I went on to explain what we believe about exaltation and eternal increase. Right, there is no procreation. That is an earthly endeavor. Just to add, matrimony, is one of the seven Catholic Sacraments. The Sacraments prefigure heaven and will be fulfilled in heaven. By this we mean, in heaven, the earthly bond of marriage, and the love between spouses, is raised up, and perfected. In and through Jesus, we will know and love one another, perfectly. As an example, just as the Temple sacrifice of the Old Covenant, prefigured Jesus Christ, and is fulfilled in Him. The temple sacrifices are no longer needed, so our Marriages prefigure heaven, and are fulfilled in Him. Marriage, being fulfilled, will no longer be needed. Edited December 7, 2015 by saemo
Canadaigua Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 On December 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM, VideoGameJunkie said: Many other religions, including Catholics believe there is no marriage in heaven because Jesus said about heaven; “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30). Now I know that Jesus meant something differently because we have the 1,000 year Millenium to get married, but it's caused people today to worry and believe that everyone will be single for the eternities. It made me wonder, are LDS the only religion that believes in eternal marriage? Islam believes in marriage in Paradise. 1
RevTestament Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 On 12/7/2015 at 1:19 PM, VideoGameJunkie said: Many other religions, including Catholics believe there is no marriage in heaven because Jesus said about heaven; “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30). It made me wonder, are LDS the only religion that believes in eternal marriage? I just finished reading a little about Swedenborg, who believed people can get married in heaven. Quote Now I know that Jesus meant something differently because we have the 1,000 year Millenium to get married, but it's caused people today to worry and believe that everyone will be single for the eternities. Not sure how that 1000 year Millenium thing will work. Perhaps only married persons and those who died as children will get resurrected in the next resurrection? If so, I suppose everyone else will have an opportunity to enter marriage in the spirit world until they are actually resurrected. The other churches do err, because they misinterpret the scenario. Jesus told them their question was asked in error. They asked in the resurrection whose wife would she be. Jesus did not tell them she wasn't already married. Jesus said precisely that she couldn't get married in the resurrection, so it seems the translation doesn't quite carry the import of their original question. They were asking who she would marry in the resurrection. He told them she couldn't get married in the resurrection, which agrees with D & C. At the time of their asking she was probably already either married to her first husband or the man of her choice. So He was telling them they were in error.
Ahab Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 We'll continue to tell people how they can continue their marriage relationships in heaven, if they want to, and as long as they do what they need to do they will continue. Hopefully those who really want to won't be deceived into thinking they can't by those who don't think they can and they'll just do what they need to do to keep it going.
Canadaigua Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 3 minutes ago, Ahab said: We'll continue to tell people how they can continue their marriage relationships in heaven, if they want to, and as long as they do what they need to do they will continue. Hopefully those who really want to won't be deceived into thinking they can't by those who don't think they can and they'll just do what they need to do to keep it going. Matthew 22 24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Christians (who are not LDS) believe that this section of scripture is clear evidence that there will not be marriage in heaven, yet LDS seem to disagree. Can you tell me why you believe that we are in error in our interpretation?
Guest Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 I come from a Baptist background where there are strong ideas that there is no marriage from the pulpit, personal views are another matter. My Mother passed away last year and it was all she spoke of, she believed until that happy reunion.
RevTestament Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 20 minutes ago, Canadaigua said: Matthew 22 24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Christians (who are not LDS) believe that this section of scripture is clear evidence that there will not be marriage in heaven, yet LDS seem to disagree. Can you tell me why you believe that we are in error in our interpretation? I just answered that: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/66580-are-mormons-only-ones-to-believe-in-marriage-in-heaven/?do=findComment&comment=1209568575
Ahab Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 11 minutes ago, Canadaigua said: Matthew 22 24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Christians (who are not LDS) believe that this section of scripture is clear evidence that there will not be marriage in heaven, yet LDS seem to disagree. Can you tell me why you believe that we are in error in our interpretation? Simply put, because your interpretation doesn't agree with what God has told me the scriptures are saying. For one thing in more specific details, the law being referred to did not dissolve the first marriage but was only meant as a means to give children to the brother who had died. Read the law where it is written. For another thing the power of God makes a man and woman one, and only the power of God can annul a marriage that has been sealed by the power of God so it's not as if those other brothers were annuling the first brother's marriage by taking the woman as their wife, too, at least not as indicated by their story. As stated the woman would still be the first brother's wife which they would have known if they understood the power of God that seals a marriage. And for another thing the fact that there is no marriage in the resurrection doesn't mean that the power of God that seals a marriage is loosed or annulled by the resurrection. Those who are one by the power of God before the resurrection will continue to be one in and after the resurrection, too.
JAHS Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 41 minutes ago, Canadaigua said: Matthew 22 24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Christians (who are not LDS) believe that this section of scripture is clear evidence that there will not be marriage in heaven, yet LDS seem to disagree. Can you tell me why you believe that we are in error in our interpretation? The Saducees were trying to trap Jesus with this question. Since they did not believe in the resurrection(See verse 23), neither did they believe in marriage for eternity; and they thought there could be no suitable answer to their question. The very fact that they asked the question indicates that the doctrine of marriage for eternity was taught(verse 28) and accepted by those who were not of their particular faith. Otherwise they never would have presented the question to the Savior. Christ explained that such a marriage contract as they presented, would be fulfilled and ended at death and that all such people would be as the angels in Heaven, no longer married. And once a person dies they could not become married after the resurrection in heaven. The marriage must be performed here on earth, in this life. However, Jesus also said regarding marriage: "And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (Matt 19:5-6) When people are married in a civil ceremony (the kind of marriage the Saducees refered to) they are pronounced married "until death do you part"; coming with it's own built in divorce clause. By this statement, and the belief that there is no marriage in heaven, man has "put asunder" the true eternal nature of marriage ordained by God. Therefore such civil marriages performed in this life are not recognized in the next life. However, those that are sealed by the power of God in this life in the temples do continue.
daz2 Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Canadaigua, I am embarrassed to say that I did not know that there was another Abrahamic religion that believed in a formal theological way in the continuation of marriage after death. I did a quick google check, and saw a number of cites that confirm that there is such a belief within Islam. Do you know of any articles or books that compare or contrast the LDS vision or version of eternal marriage in comparison to that of Islam? also, do you think that belief in eternal marriage necessarily requires a belief in plural marriage of some sort in heaven or on earth? Is that why Mormons and Muslims not only believe in marriage in heaven but in plural marriage (either on earth (for at least a time) or in heaven)?
Zakuska Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 You'd think that in Islam generally, Marriage after death is a given. How else are you going to get 72 virgins for Blowing yourself up? Do not mischaracterize all Muslims.
Canadaigua Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 3 hours ago, Ahab said: ". . .Simply put, because your interpretation doesn't agree with what God has told me the scriptures are saying. For one thing in more specific details, the law being referred to did not dissolve the first marriage but was only meant as a means to give children to the brother who had died. . ." "Simply put, because your interpretation doesn't agree with what God has told me the scriptures are saying." We are both reading English words each having a defined meaning. Lets apply this to what you have written and perhaps you can better understand what I mean. Your statements do not have any specific meaning—rather what you have said means different things depending on who is reading it at the time. "For one thing in more specific details, the law being referred to did not dissolve the first marriage but was only meant as a means to give children to the brother who had died. . ." If what you say was true then why do you think Christ didn't simply: 1. They didn't understand their own law. 2. That the first marriage stands. 3. The other marriages were not binding? Second you assume that the first marriage was an eternal (i.e. Temple marriage). Do you have any references in the OT law where eternal marriage was taught. Third temple marriage assumes Melchizedek priesthood authority yet there was a Melchizedek priesthood under the law.
Canadaigua Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 2 hours ago, daz2 said: Canadaigua, I am embarrassed to say that I did not know that there was another Abrahamic religion that believed in a formal theological way in the continuation of marriage after death. I did a quick google check, and saw a number of cites that confirm that there is such a belief within Islam. Do you know of any articles or books that compare or contrast the LDS vision or version of eternal marriage in comparison to that of Islam? also, do you think that belief in eternal marriage necessarily requires a belief in plural marriage of some sort in heaven or on earth? Is that why Mormons and Muslims not only believe in marriage in heaven but in plural marriage (either on earth (for at least a time) or in heaven)? I don't have a specific article or book reference comparing eternal marriage between Mormonism and Islam. But if you do a Google search you will find information showing several similarities between the two. Below are a couple of examples of these comparisons "Islam and Mormonism" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Mormonism "The American Muhammad: Joseph Smith, Founder of Mormonism" (which can be found on Amazon)
Canadaigua Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) 3 hours ago, JAHS said: The Saducees were trying to trap Jesus with this question. Since they did not believe in the resurrection(See verse 23), neither did they believe in marriage for eternity; and they thought there could be no suitable answer to their question. The very fact that they asked the question indicates that the doctrine of marriage for eternity was taught(verse 28) and accepted by those who were not of their particular faith. Otherwise they never would have presented the question to the Savior. Christ explained that such a marriage contract as they presented, would be fulfilled and ended at death and that all such people would be as the angels in Heaven, no longer married. And once a person dies they could not become married after the resurrection in heaven. The marriage must be performed here on earth, in this life. . ." "And once a person dies they could not become married after the resurrection in heaven." All of the marriages in question took place on earth while they were still alive—not in heaven. Thus the question Christ was posed was which earthly marriage was still valid NOT can a person be married after they die and go to heaven. Your presupposition assumes that Christ simply disregarded their question and answered a completely different question that was never asked in the first place. Edited December 12, 2015 by Canadaigua spelling
JAHS Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 1 hour ago, Canadaigua said: "And once a person dies they could not become married after the resurrection in heaven." All of the marriages in question took place on earth while they were still alive—not in heaven. Thus the question Christ was posed was which earthly marriage was still valid NOT can a person be married after they die and go to heaven. Your presupposition assumes that Christ simply disregarded their question and answered a completely different question that was never asked in the first place. Yes, I think Jesus was making a distinction between civil and eternal marriage as described in the D&C: Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world. Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven; which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory. (D&C 132:15-16.) However, those who are married by His word in our temples will be sealed for eternity. This is of course mostly known to us by latter-day revelation and therefore not accepted by other Christians.
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