Tacenda Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Saw this post on NOM....thought it interesting. Post subject: Oh, how times have changedI have an old Sunday School manual from 1955 called "Christ's Ideals for Living", written by Obert C. Tanner. I have found it to be quite useful when putting together talks or lessons. I was just reading in the chapter called "Truth", and came across these words, which struck a chord for me: "Those who love the Gospel will always have a wide tolerance for honest seekers of the truth. A real and abiding testimony is one without easy mistrust of those who seek; without fear of them and without worry about them. There is nothing to fear, unless it be a faith that is so weak it fears honest inquiry. Only those not certain of the Gospel's eternal truths are afraid of questions, and doubts, and seekers of truth." Edited October 18, 2015 by Tacenda 1
ALarson Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) You think we don't discuss this stuff at home? That's completely different than others dropping by often to talk to them about it (even at times when you're not home). But if you can't see that, ok. Edited October 18, 2015 by ALarson
Teancum Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Oh come on. You think we don't discuss this stuff at home? What's the purpose of learning all this stuff if you don't inoculate your kids? I have no fear of anti's and neither do they. Sterling McMurrin said that he was never disillusioned because he was never illusioned in the first place. We are all humans searching for the best model of God and our place in the universe and this is it. But it is still a model. The anti's don't know that theirs is a model also, just not as good and that is demonstrable if you know how.I don't know a lot about McMurrin but I don't think he was a believer was he?
jkwilliams Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 That's why I asked how they did that. I've worked with MLS for years, and unless there's some secret feature they haven't told anyone about, that capability doesn't exist.It might be home-grown software program, however. That they have no business using, btw.I saw the screen shot from the online ward list on LDS.org. I guess I could be lying, or something.
ALarson Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I don't know a lot about McMurrin but I don't think he was a believer was he?No. He may have still attended though. Here's some about him:Regarding his religion, McMurrin argued that the LDS Church concealed parts of its history and had been declining in intellectual freedom. He believed that an honest study of religion would erode faith, and he personally did not believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon. However, he remained devoted to Mormonism, despite his lack of faith and criticism from more "orthodox" church members.
mfbukowski Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) That's completely different than others dropping by often to talk to them about it (even at times when you're not home). But if you can't see that, ok.Uh, I think they call that the Internet. No problem.And the whole pont is that they don't need Daddy to take care of them Edited October 18, 2015 by mfbukowski
mfbukowski Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) I saw the screen shot from the online ward list on LDS.org. I guess I could be lying, or something.There you go again. Twist and shout. Edited October 18, 2015 by mfbukowski
ALarson Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Uh, I think they call that the Internet. No problem.Who's "they"? Someone calls people dropping by your house (sometimes unannounced) to talk to a member of your family, the internet? The personal visits are what this discussion is about now. Members have the right to ask that these visits stop (or that they be put on the "do not contact list") and I think it should be respected. I'm not real sure why you think that is the same as the internet. And, it sounds like your kids can fend for themselves (as you appear to be the type of parent who discusses things with your kids which is great). So you probably wouldn't mind anti's dropping by to talk to them. But some people don't want any intrusion in their lives or the lives of a member of their family. Again, that should be respected. Edited October 18, 2015 by ALarson
ALarson Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I saw the screen shot from the online ward list on LDS.org. I guess I could be lying, or something.Yes, you're quite the liar
jkwilliams Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Yes, you're quite the liar I shouldn't have responded so defensively. I may just not have interpreted what I saw correctly.
ALarson Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I shouldn't have responded so defensively. I may just not have interpreted what I saw correctly.Got it. I was just joking around some...
jkwilliams Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Got it. I was just joking around some...I know. You just helped me realize I had been a little thin-skinned.
mfbukowski Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Who's "they"? Someone calls people dropping by your house (sometimes unannounced) to talk to a member of your family, the internet? The personal visits are what this discussion is about now. Members have the right to ask that these visits stop (or that they be put on the "do not contact list") and I think it should be respected. I'm not real sure why you think that is the same as the internet. And, it sounds like your kids can fend for themselves (as you appear to be the type of parent who discusses things with your kids which is great). So you probably wouldn't mind anti's dropping by to talk to them. But some people don't want any intrusion in their lives or the lives of a member of their family. Again, that should be respected.My youngest is 26, unfit parent that I am The point is that they are all exposed to the internet and I have discussed all these problems with them as soon as they were old enough to know about them You are argumentative and just bringing up silly points. Why don't you stop by some time and we will see how long I can stand your visit, ok, if that is the issue? And please contact my stake president so you can correct his advice. Would you like his address? Edited October 18, 2015 by mfbukowski
mfbukowski Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I don't know a lot about McMurrin but I don't think he was a believer was he?I was never his bishop so I haven't taken it upon myself to judge what that means. He was a thinking member of the church who I think was eventually excommunicated and wrote at least one important book about Mormon philosophy, with which I agree. I am sure more can be found on the internet if you care.
ALarson Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I know. You just helped me realize I had been a little thin-skinned.I guess that happens to the best of us. No worries
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