Repentance

[Ahab]

don't you believe what the scripture says?

Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord,

and my servant whom I have chosen:

that ye may know and believe me,

and understand that I am he:

before me there was no God formed,

neither shall there be after me.

I, even I, am the Lord;

and beside me there is no saviour.

(Isaiah 43:10-11)

what did Jesus His Christ have to say?

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?

none is good, save one, that is, God.

(Luke 18:19)

so if i say "no one is like God!" i am saying what the prophets say:

Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD;

Thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

(Jeremiah 10:6)

will you stop up your ears to the voice of those prophets? will you tell them to shut up or go and prophesy to someone else?

one way to become more like Him is to accept Him at what He says. to believe the testimony of the ones He sent, regardless of what men say. how will you be like Him if you reject His Word?

and the message these brought to us was that we should repent of our sins and turn to the One True God, who made heaven and earth -- just as the scriptures say:

Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together:

who hath declared this from ancient time?

who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD?

and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

(Isaiah 45:21-22)

repent, turn to Him, because there is no other, and in Him is Salvation -- even Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of Salvation, who is in Him, and who is Him. the reward of this faith in Him and His Salvation is that very hope, to be one in Him and for Him to be in us.

without that we turn to Him and be made new, we cannot be like Him.

we have to repent from the old in order to be made new - to turn from worshiping everything under the sun as gods, from ourselves, from covetousness, from every kind of evil - and to turn towards the only One in whom Salvation is found. there is no other God who saves, and no other name He has given by which we can be saved from ignominy into the righteousness of His name.

we were not born in Him, but must be reborn in Him - repenting from the old body of death, turning to the body of life.

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Please stop rambling. If you have a point to make just make it without contradicting yourself or what prophets of God have said.

There is only one God but more than one person who is God and you should understand that when some of us say Gods we are talking about persons who are God. It may not be politically correct in your mind to think of persons who are God as Gods but it's still true that there is more than one person who is God whether you like it or not.

[katherine the great]

I think we feel forgiven when our own hearts forgive others for any wrong done to ourselves. It sounds simplistic but it's the best way for me to describe how I know when I am forgiven. It's a humbling experience and realization that we are all sinners in one way or another.

[intra]

If you have a point to make just make it without contradicting yourself or what prophets of God have said.

 

 

if you think i've contradicted myself, show me. 

if anyone calls themselves a prophet and contradicts the scripture, they are a liar, and it is an honor given by God if through me their contradictions are  made plain.

i know men who honor themselves as gods have told you they are gods. that isn't the God of the Bible. 

the God of Israel, of Abraham and of Jacob and of David, He says: 

See now that I, even I, am he,

and there is no god with me

(Deuteronomy 32:39) 

before time, He is God, and there is no other. 

 

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world,

even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

(Psalm 90:2) 

 

Yea, before the day was I am he;

and there is none that can deliver out of my hand:

I will work, and who shall let it?

(Isaiah 43:13) 

you say speak of how we can be more like Him? 

by repenting of evil. 

by turning your face towards Him. 

by forgiving others as He forgives you. 

by walking humbly before Him hoping for His mercy on you. 

by considering yourself unworthy of His grace, confessing your iniquity before Him and believing in His Christ, who is Lord. 

by admitting that it is necessary that we saved. 

by admitting that we have need of being reborn. 

by admitting that we cannot attain righteousness unless He works in us to accomplish it. 

by admitting that He alone is God, He alone is worthy, and He alone is able to save. 

by recognizing that all our good works and righteous deeds are like a filthy rag to Him and we can in no way be holy as He is holy. 

by giving yourself to Him, that He may make you a new creature in Him, and following Him. 

 

Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father:

for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 

(Matthew 3:8-9) 

 

the Lord says bear fruit that is appropriate for repentance!

humble yourself instead of exalting yourself all the way to heaven! 

do not consider yourself a god that you should be praised or worshiped. 

do not say 'we have God who is the Father of all things' 

has He not shown you that no one is without sin? He is not the father of unrighteousness! 

we are all enemies of God, being offered adoption into His kingdom, not an inheritance we deserve by birth or a contract of service or some great works we do! Salvation is the free gift by faith through Jesus Christ!

remember that you are no better than a stone, and the Lord can just as easily make a new man from dust.

He is to be feared, not to be trivialized!

look always then for His mercy and rejoice in His grace! He is pleased by our humility, and hates our pride. 

The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.

(Psalm 147:11)

 

this is what it is to repent! it is to fear God with our hearts and hands and minds, and do Him no more mere lip-service!

you are not doing Him a favor to believe in Him. 

He is showing us mercy simply allowing us to exist, and so much more! but to know Him, the pride of life must die in us. 

 

 

[Ahab]

If you think i've contradicted myself, show me.

No because you didn't say please. I'll sometimes let you know when you contradict what prophets of God have said, though, but only when I think the warning will do you some good.

if anyone calls themselves a prophet and contradicts the scripture, they are a liar, and it is an honor given by God if through me their contradictions are made plain.

FYI, prophets of God don't necessarily say outright that they are prophets of God and some people who don't say they are still act like they are whether or not they are prophets of God.

i know men who honor themselves as gods have told you they are gods. that isn't the God of the Bible.

In some cases it is and has been.

the God of Israel, of Abraham and of Jacob and of David, He says:

See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me.(Deuteronomy 32:39)

before time, He is God, and there is no other.

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth, from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.(Psalm 90:2)

Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it. (Isaiah 43:13)

The God of the Bible is more than one person. Please show me that you understand and that you accept the word of God on that fact.

you say speak of how we can be more like Him?

Yes and already like him to some degree, like how we are already the same kind of being as our Father and children of God.

by repenting of evil.

Yes by becoming perfect as our Lord told us and still tells us to do.

by turning your face towards Him.

Yes vs looking away. Go toward the light.

by forgiving others as He forgives you.

Yes and I'm glad to see you think we can and should forgive others for their sins and trespasses against us. Some people seem to think that only God or people with special callings can forgive sins.

by walking humbly before Him hoping for His mercy on you.

by considering yourself unworthy of His grace, confessing your iniquity before Him and believing in His Christ, who is Lord.

by admitting that it is necessary that we be saved.

by admitting that we have need of being reborn.

by admitting that we cannot attain righteousness unless He works in us to accomplish it.

by admitting that He alone is God, He alone is worthy, and He alone is able to save.

by recognizing that all our good works and righteous deeds are like a filthy rag to Him and we can in no way be holy as He is holy.

by giving yourself to Him, that He may make you a new creature in Him, and following Him.

You said many good things that God inspired others to say but you need to keep studying and pondering and praying about all scriptures to show yourself approved unto God and avoid being ashamed when you stand before God to be judged.

Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to be our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. (Matthew 3:8-9)

the Lord says bear fruit that is appropriate for repentance!

humble yourself instead of exalting yourself all the way to heaven!

do not consider yourself a god that you should be praised or worshiped.

do not say 'we have God who is the Father of all things'

has He not shown you that no one is without sin? He is not the father of unrighteousness!

we are all enemies of God, being offered adoption into His kingdom, not an inheritance we deserve by birth or a contract of service or some great works we do! Salvation is the free gift by faith through Jesus Christ!

remember that you are no better than a stone, and the Lord can just as easily make a new man from dust.

He is to be feared, not trivialized!

look always then for His mercy and rejoice in His grace! He is pleased by our humility, and hates our pride.

The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.(Psalm 147:11)

this is what it is to repent! it is to fear God with our hearts and hands and minds, and do Him no more mere lip-service!

you are not doing Him a favor to believe in Him.

He is showing us mercy simply allowing us to exist, and so much more! but to know Him, the pride of life must die in us.

Again you said many good things but your own words and ideas were being thrown into the mix and you need to be as careful as anyone else to make sure you do what is right and keep learning to see what changes you need to make in your own life.

[intra]

The God of the Bible is more than one person. Please show me that you understand and that you accept the word of God on that fact.

 

 

the God of the Bible is the God of Abraham and the God of Jacob. He is the God of Israel. 

perhaps you've heard of 'the Shema' ? it is a mitzvah to recite it twice each day? many orthodox write it on a scroll and tie it to their forehead? 

it begins with this:

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: 

and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 

and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

(Deuteronomy 6:4-9): 

 

this is the first verse in Hebrew:

שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהֹוָה | אֶחָד:

SH’MA YISRAEL YAHWEH ELOHENU YAHWEH ECHAD 

Hear, Israel! Yahweh our-Elohim, Yahweh One

the commandment to the chosen people of the God of the Bible was to constantly remind themselves that there is but one Elohim and that that Elohim is YHWH. 

do you understand that the Bible - the old and new testament - teaches a much different theology, a much different "God" than the D&C teach? 

and that the epistles of the first-hand witnesses of Jesus Christ taught that many false prophets would come, and that these will  be successful and many will follow after them, under strong delusion? 

do you understand that the God of the Bible gave in scripture a test for prophets, not only if they gave a prophecy that didn't come to pass, but for false prophets that might produce wonders and prophecies, but introduce or 'claim revelation of' new or other gods? 

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 

Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

(Deuteronomy 13:1-5) 

 

Edited January 11, 2015 by intra

[intra]

avoid being ashamed when you stand before God to be judged.

 

 there is only one thing that keeps me from shame: 

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

(Romans 8:32-34) 

it is Christ who clothes me with white robes of righteousness, not my own works but by the faith in His grace! i study to show my approval not secure it - it is the Lord who secures. my joy is His mercy and my labor is a free will offering! i have not and cannot earned eternal life but by believing that He came in the flesh to pardon my iniquity.

Who is a God like unto thee,

that pardoneth iniquity,

and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage?

he retaineth not his anger for ever,

because he delighteth in mercy.

(Micah 7:18) 

 

[Uncle Dale]

don't you believe what the scripture says?

... And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?

none is good, save one, that is, God.

(Luke 18:19)

 

 

An interesting passage -- and one sometimes cited by Muslims

as a witness to the proposition that Jesus the son of Mary is NOT

Allah, nor the Jehovah of the Hebrew Bible.

 

Whether or not Jesus ever spoke such words (or their equivalent

in Aramaic or Koine) I know not -- but an early gospel writer was

confident enough in their authenticity to include them in his text.

 

Pondering this passage might bring to our minds the question of

what, exactly, is perfect, pure, unadulterated goodness?

 

Can a person speaking to others, from the limited confines of a

corruptible human body, claim to be "good" to such a degree as

to equal the goodness of the Most High?

 

If we choose to accept this passage as authentic and literally

infallible, in its English translation, then what lesson might it

provide as to the meaning of "good," prior to transfiguration,

prior to resurrection, and prior to glorification?

 

Had Jesus the son of Mary joined in praying for forgiveness,

on the Day of Atonement, or any other sin-offering occasion,

along with his fellow Jews, would that act, in and of itself, have

been problematic (for a man who purportedly had no need for

repentance)?

 

UD

[Yirgacheffe]

I don't know, it's a really good question. I also wonder about the other side of the coin. If we have forgiven somebody, will we forget? Are we supposed to forget? Or are we supposed to remember so we don't do that to somebody?

Does forgiving someone mean I trust them as I did before?

[Uncle Dale]

Does forgiving someone mean I trust them as I did before?

 

Perhaps it can mean giving that person the opportunity to

regain your trust. That might occur within a few days, or it

might take years -- but it is a different position than saying

"I will never, ever trust you again..."

 

UD

[Kenngo1969]

much more than "a lot like" my friend. ...

 

Oh, that sounds fun!  Let's have the 3,900,600,300th trinity thread on the Board!

[JLHPROF]

Oh, that sounds fun!  Let's have the 3,900,600,300th trinity thread on the Board!

 

And let's make it just as pointless as the others.

[Kenngo1969]

And let's make it just as pointless as the others.

That part of it won't take too much work!

[Kenngo1969]

Perhaps it can mean giving that person the opportunity to

regain your trust. That might occur within a few days, or it

might take years -- but it is a different position than saying

"I will never, ever trust you again..."

 

UD

In many cases, I think you're right.  However, in the more difficult cases, such as cases involving abuse, I don't think it's wise in all such cases to say, "I forgive you; thus, I trust you as much as I ever did."  In many cases, forgiveness and trust are two different things.  While I certainly hope these aren't the only reasons, we love because we're commanded to love (John 13:35), and we forgive because we are commanded to forgive (Doctrine & Covenants 64:10).  However, trust is a different matter.  I believe that's at least part of the reason why Christ commanded His Apostles to be "as wise as serpents, and as harmless as doves" (Matthew 10:16).  In many cases, the processes of learning to forgive and to trust may carry over into the next life.  My $0.02.  Your mileage may (indeed, it probably does) vary.

[Ahab]

the God of the Bible is the God of Abraham and the God of Jacob. He is the God of Israel.

perhaps you've heard of 'the Shema' ? it is a mitzvah to recite it twice each day? many orthodox write it on a scroll and tie it to their forehead?

it begins with this:

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

(Deuteronomy 6:4-9):

this is the first verse in Hebrew:

שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהֹוָה | אֶחָד:

SH’MA YISRAEL YAHWEH ELOHENU YAHWEH ECHAD

Hear, Israel! Yahweh our-Elohim, Yahweh One

the commandment to the chosen people of the God of the Bible was to constantly remind themselves that there is but one Elohim and that that Elohim is YHWH.

do you understand that the Bible - the old and new testament - teaches a much different theology, a much different "God" than the D&C teach?

and that the epistles of the first-hand witnesses of Jesus Christ taught that many false prophets would come, and that these will be successful and many will follow after them, under strong delusion?

do you understand that the God of the Bible gave in scripture a test for prophets, not only if they gave a prophecy that didn't come to pass, but for false prophets that might produce wonders and prophecies, but introduce or 'claim revelation of' new or other gods?

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

(Deuteronomy 13:1-5)

You didn't show me what I asked you to show me. Please show me that you understand that the God of the Bible is more than one person. Plural persons, with all of them and us being the same kind of being that we refer to as God.

Until you understand that you won't understand what God is.

[Uncle Dale]

 

>the commandment to the chosen people of the God of the Bible

>was to constantly remind themselves that there is but one Elohim

>and that that Elohim is YHWH. -- do you understand that the Bible -

>the old and new testament - teaches a much different theology,

>a much different "God" than the D&C teach?

 

You didn't show me what I asked you to show me. Please show me that you understand that the God of the Bible is more than one person. Plural persons, with all of them and us being the same kind of being that we refer to as God.

Until you understand that you won't understand what God is.

 

Ask any informed Jew today whether or not his ancestors in

Palestine ever worshiped a Trinity, or said that the God of

Israel was comprised of "three persons"... and both you, I,

and intra know in advance what his answer will be.

 

Ask that same Jew (if he's really well informed) whether or

not his ancestors believed Melchizedek was a vice-gerent

to the Almighty in celestial realms, destined to come to

earth as the expected Messiah, and you may well get a

different, hesitant, and less confident reply.

 

Ask that fellow if there was a time that some of his ancestors

worshiped Baal Hadad, while others worshiped only YHWH,

and still others acknowledged both deities as being sons of

El, and you may get a begrudging "Yes, but...."

 

The problem being that whatever the Bible (as a library of

texts originating in different ages of the past) may be said

to "teach;" its pages preserve evidence of a much more

complex theological past in ancient Palestine, than we are

used to acknowledging in our theological arguments.

 

Were there ever any Jews who came to believe in a Triune

God of Israel? -- no doubt there were -- late in history --

but, before the Christian biblical texts were canonized.

 

Can the views of those few, late Jewish-Christians serve as

the standard whereby the "teachings" of the Book of Job or

the Book of Joshua, etc. are characterized theologically?

 

Intra may give one answer, and you may give another, and

a defender of D&C (and early Israelite) henotheism, may

give yet another answer.

 

It would be very helpful if we could get into our respective

time-machines and travel back into the past, to ask those

various biblical writers just exactly what they meant to say --

and it would be equally instructive, if we could look around

at those writers' neighbors, to see how they were acting,

what they believed, and whether they even accepted their

writer-brethren as divinely inspired.

 

But... we have no such magical machines. Pity, that.

 

UD

[intra]

 Please show me that you understand that the God of the Bible is more than one person. 

you're asking me to show you a lie and tell you the Bible says what it does not say - why tempt me to sin? 

 

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

(Isaiah 45:5-6) 

Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world,

and that there is no other God but one.

(1 Corinthians 8:4) 

 

[Anakin7]

       Isaiah passage is a Heavenly Divine Assembly/Council/Court/ setting with Yahweh proclaiming his Status among the other Heavenly Divine in that setting. Corinthian passage also says "As there be gods many and lords many".

 

in His Debt/Grace

       Anakin7

Edited January 13, 2015 by Anakin7

[intra]

       Isaiah passage is a Heavenly Divine Assembly/Council/Court/ setting with Yahweh proclaiming his Status among the other Heavenly Divine in that setting. Corinthian passage also says "As there be gods many and lords many".

 

in His Debt/Grace

       Anakin7

no. have you not read it? read it. chapter 45 is explicitly addressed to Cyrus. was the Persian king among the 'heavenly divine' ? 

Thus says the Lord to His anointed,

To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held

(Isaiah 45:1) 

 

[intra]

look, He speaks to "all the ends of the earth" not to some assembly of imagined divine co-creators

Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
(Isaiah 45:22) 

 

[intra]

 Corinthian passage also says "As there be gods many and lords many".

 

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(1 Corinthians 8:5-6) 

many are "called" gods, but the apostle says "to us" there is only one true God, the Father. 

if you adulterate yourself in your mind to many "called gods," i can only take it that you are not part of the "us" that the scripture is talking about here. 

Edited January 13, 2015 by intra

[Ahab]

Ask any informed Jew today whether or not his ancestors in

Palestine ever worshiped a Trinity, or said that the God of

Israel was comprised of "three persons"... and both you, I,

and intra know in advance what his answer will be.

Ask that same Jew (if he's really well informed) whether or

not his ancestors believed Melchizedek was a vice-gerent

to the Almighty in celestial realms, destined to come to

earth as the expected Messiah, and you may well get a

different, hesitant, and less confident reply.

Ask that fellow if there was a time that some of his ancestors

worshiped Baal Hadad, while others worshiped only YHWH,

and still others acknowledged both deities as being sons of

El, and you may get a begrudging "Yes, but...."

The problem being that whatever the Bible (as a library of

texts originating in different ages of the past) may be said

to "teach;" its pages preserve evidence of a much more

complex theological past in ancient Palestine, than we are

used to acknowledging in our theological arguments.

Were there ever any Jews who came to believe in a Triune

God of Israel? -- no doubt there were -- late in history --

but, before the Christian biblical texts were canonized.

Can the views of those few, late Jewish-Christians serve as

the standard whereby the "teachings" of the Book of Job or

the Book of Joshua, etc. are characterized theologically?

Intra may give one answer, and you may give another, and

a defender of D&C (and early Israelite) henotheism, may

give yet another answer.

It would be very helpful if we could get into our respective

time-machines and travel back into the past, to ask those

various biblical writers just exactly what they meant to say --

and it would be equally instructive, if we could look around

at those writers' neighbors, to see how they were acting,

what they believed, and whether they even accepted their

writer-brethren as divinely inspired.

But... we have no such magical machines. Pity, that.

UD

Most Jews are and pretty much always have been apostates, just as most Christians today, so going to them to find out what they think is true will just give you an apostate's answer. Better to just ask God for yourself so you at least have a chance of getting his answer.

Works very well for me, although of course apostates usually do not agree with me or what God has told me.

[Ahab]

you're asking me to show you a lie and tell you the Bible says what it does not say - why tempt me to sin?

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

(Isaiah 45:5-6)

Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world,

and that there is no other God but one.

(1 Corinthians 8:4)

What I see now is that you don't understand that God is more than one person, and how, and that is why you can't show me that you understand that.

[intra]

What I see now is that you don't understand that God is more than one person, and how, and that is why you can't show me that you understand that.

what i see is you ignoring the Bible, thinking what some vain man says is higher than what the Lord of Lords says. 

how about you show me from the Bible how that there are many gods? 

you think you have have divine revelation so that you are wiser than some ignorant heathen like me, right? 

it should be easy for you to confound me. if you are a god, surely you can interpret scripture? if you have the spirit of truth, surely you don't need to be taught by some mortal? 

what about this:

Unto thee it was shewed,

that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; 

there is none else beside him.

(Deuteronomy 4:35) 

what does this verse say? 

does it say there are other gods beside the Lord? 

what about this one -- 

Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God?

but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

(Ezekiel 28:9) 

does this verse say that men are gods? 

or does it say men think they are gods and say they are gods? 

 

[Ahab]

what i see is you ignoring the Bible, thinking what some vain man says is higher than what the Lord of Lords says.

When the Lord was resurrected he said he would be going to his God and our God. The Lord is God, too, just as is Father is God, who he also said is our Father. That's more than 1 person, and you haven't shown me that you understand that.

how about you show me from the Bible how that there are many gods?

how about you show me from the Bible how that there is more than one person who is God?

you think you have have divine revelation so that you are wiser than some ignorant heathen like me, right?

I'll call you an ignorant Christian if you don't know more than one person is God.

it should be easy for you to confound me. if you are a god, surely you can interpret scripture? if you have the spirit of truth, surely you don't need to be taught by some mortal?

That's right.

what about this:

Unto thee it was shewed,

that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God;

there is none else beside him.

(Deuteronomy 4:35)

what does this verse say?

does it say there are other gods beside the Lord?

A better translation would be that there is no other kind of being that is God than the kind of being he is, and he has told us through revelation that there is more than one person who is the same kind of being he is.

what about this one --

Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God?

but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

(Ezekiel 28:9)

does this verse say that men are gods?

or does it say men think they are gods and say they are gods?

Ezekiel said what he said and he meant what he meant and so far you have done a very poor job of showing that you correctly understand scripture, or that you even want to.

[The Nehor]

you think you have have divine revelation so that you are wiser than some ignorant heathen like me, right? 

it should be easy for you to confound me. if you are a god, surely you can interpret scripture? if you have the spirit of truth, surely you don't need to be taught by some mortal? 

Not necessarily all ignorant heathens but if you want to personalize it, then yes, I consider myself wiser than you.

If divine power conveyed some supernatural ability to persuade then why did so many reject Jesus? In LDS theology we admit that some of the children of God rebelled against Him while in His presence. Most Christians faiths believe the same of Devils. If the Messiah could not convince everyone why are you expecting his servants to do better?

Oh right, because you are a vapid little troll under the delusion God wants you to do his work using trolling as your primary method. I think we can all now laugh from now on when you attempt to demean the LDS conception of God when we contrast it with your strange conception.