Calm Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) True, but it does bring up the fact that they don't have materials with the information about JS's polygamy that have been translated or do they? Maybe a brief mention in the Ensign, but where else?Many (most?) of the Ensign articles are reprinted in the Liahona which is published in quite a few languages and lds.org has other options besides English as well.However, I would agree that materials for learning in detail has probably been lacking to a great extent in languages other than English...another good reason for the Church to use Gospel Topics to share the information as it can be then adapted for the various languages online easier than making sure there are books out there enough though it will probably take a good deal of time if the Spanish version is typical (and it is probably the most like the English version). Unfortunate for those not having access to the Internet, but I suspect they have quite a few other things to concern themselves with at this point. Edited November 13, 2014 by calmoriah
cinepro Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 I heard Lund say that he would often draw the names of his characters from pioneer diaries and journals. Once in a while he would get an inquiry from a reader who read an ancestor's name in one of his novels and would feel certain Lund had done research into the reader's ancestry. Lund would then have to enlighten the reader to the fact that he had only borrowed the name, not the character. What a scoundrel! To make things up in a work of fiction! It happens.
Scott Lloyd Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 It happens. I'm not getting your point, perhaps because I've never read The Work and the Glory series. Is that the name of a character in the book or something? 1
omni Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 No, actually the Work and the Glory volume 6 does state that Joseph entered into polygamy. It just doesn't detail any wives names. But it absolutely makes it clear that Joseph lived it and Emma had issues with it.As far as the Lion House, yes, there is still some deception there. I went on a tour of the Beehive House and Lion House and someone asked the missionaries what all the rooms were for. Apparently they were all for "guests and visitors". They were also asked why Brigham Young had his own bedroom separate from his official "wife's" bedroom. Crickets...Of course, this was right before the lovely Korean sister missionary told the group that we could all be bondaged together with our families...I took the tour a couple years ago where the sister presenting kept referring to BY's "wife" and mentioned her by name. After we were near the end without a mention of polygamy my wife finally brought it up. The sister missionary confirmed he had other wives and where they stayed and then quickly changed the subject.
Calm Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I'm not getting your point, perhaps because I've never read The Work and the Glory series. Is that the name of a character in the book or something?It is in a graveyard that has many of the Titanic victims. Apparently James Cameron's Titanic's main male lead was named Jack Dawson (never seen it), but Camerson claims this J Dawson buried here has nothing to do with the fictional character. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/04/titanic-real-j-dawson-grave_n_1403858.html Edited November 13, 2014 by calmoriah
cdowis Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) So, when Sylvia Lyons told her daughter Josephine that she (Josephine) was Joseph Smith's daughter, what was she imagining, and what does that say about her? OK, it took me a few seconds to consider the possibilities ==>> "Darling, you are the daughter of the Prophet of the Lord. (Be sure you tell all your friends at school that)." Is it possible that she did not want to tell her who the real father was? Was it possible that her motive was to give her daughter something to distinguish her from the other girls -- how much more status symbol than to be the daughter of the Prophet. Is it possible that a mother would do such a thing? It tells me that she is a mother. Just off the top of my head. Edited November 13, 2014 by cdowis
djones Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Lots of talk about whether there will be polygamy in heaven. Let's see....billions and billions of children on one little itty bitty earth here. Multiply that by worlds without number. Forget about how spirit children are actually created, think about the raising of them and the nurturing of them. Um yeah....I'm pretty sure God has a LOT of wives to get that all handled. Welcome to exaltation. 1
Silhouette Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 No, actually the Work and the Glory volume 6 does state that Joseph entered into polygamy. It just doesn't detail any wives names. But it absolutely makes it clear that Joseph lived it and Emma had issues with it.As far as the Lion House, yes, there is still some deception there. I went on a tour of the Beehive House and Lion House and someone asked the missionaries what all the rooms were for. Apparently they were all for "guests and visitors". They were also asked why Brigham Young had his own bedroom separate from his official "wife's" bedroom. Crickets...Of course, this was right before the lovely Korean sister missionary told the group that we could all be bondaged together with our families..."Bondaged" together with our families? Hahaha I'd have started chortling.
Scott Lloyd Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I took the tour a couple years ago where the sister presenting kept referring to BY's "wife" and mentioned her by name. After we were near the end without a mention of polygamy my wife finally brought it up. The sister missionary confirmed he had other wives and where they stayed and then quickly changed the subject.Maybe because your wife was the only one who seemed interested in that, and the guide had other tour members to consider. Edited November 13, 2014 by Scott Lloyd 1
JLHPROF Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Maybe because your wife was the only one who seemed interested in that, and the guide had other tour members to consider. Oh come on. The #1 question on EVERY tourist's mind that visits Brigham Young's homes is almost certainly his polygamy. Unless they have absolutely no idea whose home they're visiting.I'm guessing they aren't there to find out about the origin of the Deseret Alphabet or whether Brigham Tea is dangerous. I'd wager if they know who Brigham Young is then question number 1 is polygamy. Human nature.
Sleeper Cell Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 As far as the Lion House, yes, there is still some deception there. I went on a tour of the Beehive House and Lion House and someone asked the missionaries what all the rooms were for. Apparently they were all for "guests and visitors". They were also asked why Brigham Young had his own bedroom separate from his official "wife's" bedroom. Crickets... Of course, this was right before the lovely Korean sister missionary told the group that we could all be bondaged together with our families... They should have said that the rooms were for members of BY’s extended family. I find it hard to believe that this question hasn’t been asked many times before by curious tourists. After all, it is an obvious question and whoever is in charge should have taught the missionaries how to give a straightforward answer without getting bogged down in an extended debate about polygamy. Either that, or discontinue the tours of BY’s home. 1
Calm Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Lots of talk about whether there will be polygamy in heaven. Let's see....billions and billions of children on one little itty bitty earth here. Multiply that by worlds without number. Forget about how spirit children are actually created, think about the raising of them and the nurturing of them. Um yeah....I'm pretty sure God has a LOT of wives to get that all handled. Welcome to exaltation.You forget that God has a family, nothing requires each and every spirit be a literal child of his with only his attention as a father figure on each and every world even if he is the one overseeing creation. He and God the Mother or Heavenly Mother if you prefer could possibly be involved in each spirit creation given we are talking about eternity and we don't know how complicated the process is, perhaps it is as simple as lighting a match. Then like any extended family on earth in the past, you have older siblings, aunts and uncles, grandparents and others involved in raising the children together. Edited November 13, 2014 by calmoriah
maxrep12 Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Cartoon from the trib...fitting I think.http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/1812515-155/com-bagley-cartoon-facebook-lake-salt 1
Alan Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 I am so looking forward to the day when the whole truth will finally be known and those who believe Joseph Smith was not a polygamist will be vindicated.That day will come as sure as night follows day - mark my words.
Mystery Meat Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 I am so looking forward to the day when the whole truth will finally be known and those who believe Joseph Smith was not a polygamist will be vindicated.That day will come as sure as night follows day - mark my words. Alan, bless you man. What will happen to your testimony when it comes out he was in fact a polygamist? Cuz... That day will come as sure as night follows day - mark my words.
ERayR Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 It is in a graveyard that has many of the Titanic victims. Apparently James Cameron's Titanic's main male lead was named Jack Dawson (never seen it), but Camerson claims this J Dawson buried here has nothing to do with the fictional character. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/04/titanic-real-j-dawson-grave_n_1403858.html Thank you. I find inconvenient to be so illiterate. Perhaps if they would take time to teach this in gospel doctrine class.
ERayR Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Oh come on. The #1 question on EVERY tourist's mind that visits Brigham Young's homes is almost certainly his polygamy. Unless they have absolutely no idea whose home they're visiting.I'm guessing they aren't there to find out about the origin of the Deseret Alphabet or whether Brigham Tea is dangerous. I'd wager if they know who Brigham Young is then question number 1 is polygamy. Human nature. #2 question would be: Why doesn't his pictures show his horns.
JLHPROF Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I am so looking forward to the day when the whole truth will finally be known and those who believe Joseph Smith was not a polygamist will be vindicated.That day will come as sure as night follows day - mark my words. I am so looking forward to the day when we all gather in assemblies with prophets and apostles, and we see Joseph with his train of wives, all 34 (+ posthumous sealings) sitting together in a family group. And the Savior with his wives. And our Heavenly Father with all our Heavenly Mothers. And all those who find polygamy distasteful here will have no choice but to acknowledge the rightfulness of the practice there. Edited November 13, 2014 by JLHPROF 1
USU78 Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 #2 question would be: Why doesn't his pictures show his horns. #2 answer: Oh, we file those down at birth. Wanna feel? <and they always do> Can you feel 'em? <they always say no> Not even a little foolish? 1
Scott Lloyd Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 They should have said that the rooms were for members of BY’s extended family. I find it hard to believe that this question hasn’t been asked many times before by curious tourists. After all, it is an obvious question and whoever is in charge should have taught the missionaries how to give a straightforward answer without getting bogged down in an extended debate about polygamy. Either that, or discontinue the tours of BY’s home. Well, anyone who expects a definitive exposition of history from a volunteer guide at a tourist site deserves what he/she gets. 1
JLHPROF Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Well, anyone who expects a definitive exposition of history from a volunteer guide at a tourist site deserves what he/she gets. Those volunteer guides were all missionaries. You know, the same missionaries that teach investigators. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Oh come on. The #1 question on EVERY tourist's mind that visits Brigham Young's homes is almost certainly his polygamy. Unless they have absolutely no idea whose home they're visiting.I'm guessing they aren't there to find out about the origin of the Deseret Alphabet or whether Brigham Tea is dangerous. I'd wager if they know who Brigham Young is then question number 1 is polygamy. Human nature.And you absolutely know that everyone who comes to the Beehive House (that's where they give the tours; the Lion House is next door, and that's where they serve restaurant meals and hold receptions) is coming there for the primary purpose of being told about Brigham Young's plural wives? Just like you were absolutely certain that every contributor to this board has a copy of Orson Pratt's The Seer on his/her shelf at home?
JLHPROF Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 And you absolutely know that everyone who comes to the Beehive House (that's where they give the tours; the Lion House is next door, and that's where they serve restaurant meals and hold receptions) is coming there for the primary purpose of being told about Brigham Young's plural wives? Just like you were absolutely certain that every contributor to this board has a copy of Orson Pratt's The Seer on his/her shelf at home? Did I say that? I knew you would write something like this. That's why I was careful to use phrases like "almost certainly", "I'm guessing", and "I'd wager". Got to leave some room for doubt, no matter how unlikely it is.Wouldn't want to be accused of overstating my assumptions as fact again.
Scott Lloyd Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Those volunteer guides were all missionaries. You know, the same missionaries that teach investigators.You mean missionaries who are called to teach investigators the fundamental principles and ordinances of the gospel and invite and encourage them to go to God in prayer and seek a spiritual witness as opposed to giving definitive expositions of history?
JLHPROF Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 You mean missionaries who are called to teach investigators the fundamental principles and ordinances of the gospel and invite and encourage them to go to God in prayer and seek a spiritual witness as opposed to giving definitive expositions of history? No I mean missionaries whose primary role is to answer investigators questions about our Church. And whether it is right or wrong, it has always seemed that when the general public is asked what they know about our Church, polygamy is usually the first thing they mention.
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