saemo Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 I think before, or during this movie, the director Richard Dutcher, may have had the beginnings of his faith crisis because the ending seemed to have an edginess to it, but I guess God's Army 2 did also. The ending or towards the end there was a scene in Brigham City, that was my favorite. Much like the ending scene in God's Army 2, they both teach a more Christlike love. ETA: Re-listening to a MS's podcast with Richard Dutcher to see when his FC happened. When I read "Alvin the Maker" by Orson Scott Card years ago, I thought that he had woven into his stories doubts about Mormonism. I don't know if that was purposeful, or a "byproduct" of art, where, subconscious ideas get expressed. I leaned more towards a subconscious expressions of things not realized. I told a friend that Card didn't know what he knew.
Stargazer Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 When I read "Alvin the Maker" by Orson Scott Card years ago, I thought that he had woven into his stories doubts about Mormonism. I don't know if that was purposeful, or a "byproduct" of art, where, subconscious ideas get expressed. I leaned more towards a subconscious expressions of things not realized. I told a friend that Card didn't know what he knew. Have you read the Homecoming Saga? That is Card's sci-fi retelling of the Book of Mormon. Talk about edgy, but it certainly never seemed to indicate that he had any doubts. That saga actually begs for a follow-up, and I wonder if he will ever return to it?
saemo Posted July 18, 2014 Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Have you read the Homecoming Saga? That is Card's sci-fi retelling of the Book of Mormon. Talk about edgy, but it certainly never seemed to indicate that he had any doubts. That saga actually begs for a follow-up, and I wonder if he will ever return to it?I haven't. I was on a sci-fi binge many years ago, and read most of what he had written up to that point. Haven't read much sci-fi in the past 15 years or so. ETA: That doesn't mean I don't enjoy a good sci-fi story. I still do. :-) Just, all the stories started to blend together, like nothing new to imagine. Then I read Asimov's Foundation series and understood why. He's like the fountain of all sci-fi. LOL. If/when there is something new, I'd pick it up and read it in a flash. I also had pressing things on my mind, which led to reading autobiographies. Also, still enjoy them, if the writing is good. Don't have much time to read these days, and the list of things to read just keeps getting longer. I used to think I had time to read them all, but I don't think that any more. These days, I find myself reading mainly religious, like the Bible or theological commentaries. Edited July 18, 2014 by saemo
johnNewingtonn Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 Watched '17 Miracles" on Netflix, in addition to being a very good and moving film, a remarkable find is the song "Savior, Redeemer of my Soul". The moment i heard it during the film, I had to pause the movie, and run to search the lyrics to find out what it was that was being sung. Such an inspiring song.
johnNewingtonn Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 Seeing, and hearing, all the good things they create, my new saying is "Thank God, and Thank the Mormons!" that 'Savior, Redeemer' is a great song.
Tacenda Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 I read recently that Richard Dutcher wants to make a movie about Joseph Smith. He probably won't get the funds needed to really do it justice. Is it possible to make a movie about his life and make it as accurate as possible, without scaring some LDS, to see for the first time many things in history that aren't shown the light of day? Do you think it's possible to have a movie that details the facts without looking like a September Dawn or anti film? Should there even be a movie about Joseph Smith? I think Richard thinks a lot of him actually, he said on his FB page that LDS members today are pretty lame compared to JS.
johnNewingtonn Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) BYUtv has a film "Joseph Smith Prophet of the Restoration".The film begins with his childhood and proceeds to his assassination.Even as a Catholic, I found the film interesting, well filmed and acted, informative and at times moving. This film is made in context of those events which have bearing on the Mormon LDS people and religion.To my knowledge,it does not entertain controversial material or disputed facts.But to gain knowledge of Joseph Smith, it is a very good source, providing a great deal of material. Edited July 22, 2014 by johnNewingtonn
Tacenda Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 BYUtv has a film "Joseph Smith Prophet of the Restoration".The film begins with his childhood and proceeds to his assassination.Even as a Catholic, I found the film interesting, well filmed and acted, informative and at times moving.This film is made in context of those events which have bearing on the Mormon LDS people and religion.To my knowledge,it does not entertain controversial material or disputed facts.But to gain knowledge of Joseph Smith, it is a very good source, providing a great deal of material.That's good to know, I thought there had never been one made. I will have to check it out. I know it would be a fascinating movie if someone had the funds currently to make the movie. In the MS podcast with Richard, he said back when making LDS films he wanted to do the movie of Joseph clear back then. But the church got wind of it and I think dissuaded Larry Miller from funding the project.
Kenngo1969 Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 I think before, or during this movie, the director Richard Dutcher, may have had the beginnings of his faith crisis because the ending seemed to have an edginess to it, but I guess God's Army 2 did also. The ending or towards the end there was a scene in Brigham City, that was my favorite. Much like the ending scene in God's Army 2, they both teach a more Christlike love. ETA: Re-listening to a MS's podcast with Richard Dutcher to see when his FC happened. As long as we're talking about what we read/heard somewhere without having to cite any references/sources , I read/heard somewhere that Richard Dutcher's "faith crisis" started the moment he started making movies: he had his career arc planned out from God's Army through Evil Angel (or whatever the first movie that shattered his image as "The Father of Mormon Cinema" was).
Kenngo1969 Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 That's good to know, I thought there had never been one made. I will have to check it out. I know it would be a fascinating movie if someone had the funds currently to make the movie.In the MS podcast with Richard, he said back when making LDS films he wanted to do the movie of Joseph clear back then. But the church got wind of it and I think dissuaded Larry Miller from funding the project.So ... we've heard from a fourth party (you) that a third party (the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) attempted to dissuade a second party (Larry H. Miller) from funding a movie made by the first party (Richard Dutcher). What is that, like, quadruple hearsay? (Sounds reliable to me! )
Tacenda Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) No Kenngo, it came from Richard's first hand account. But do I blame the church from stopping a film about JS, no way. I think the church would rather have full power over a project like that. And wouldn't blame them in the least. So yes, what I'm remembering from the podcast is a single hearsay from one witness, Richard Dutcher's mouth. But that's not quadruple hearsay is it? But I'd delete it if you hadn't have quoted it, if I'm in the wrong.Also, my memory was off, now that I'm responding to you, maybe Dutcher went to them, not the church heard about it from someone else. I'll have to listen to that part again. If this is like a court room wouldn't it be admissable, somewhat, Richard's testimony?When put in a different light, the church is probably pretty smart not to ok a project like that without full power over it. ETA: http://motleyvision.org/ldscinema/2010/10/richard-dutcher-and-lds-film-part-4/ This is an insight to somewhat of what happened. I don't have time right at this moment to re listen so I don't know if it's this segment that mentions the church. Edited July 22, 2014 by Tacenda
Rain Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Maybe Richard Dutcher could be made into another thread? It's related to this one, but kind of a different topic.
Rain Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Saw another movie I liked that was similar to Forever Strong. Facing the Giants. I do wish it had ended differently though.
hagoth7 Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 The Saratov Approach is playing on Netflix. Great show, in my unbiased opinion. (My nephew plays one of the two Elders.)
Tacenda Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 Maybe Richard Dutcher could be made into another thread? It's related to this one, but kind of a different topic.Yes, sorry to throw the discussion off track. I love LDS films, even the corny and think they age gracefully. 1
Garden Girl Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 Yes, sorry to throw the discussion off track. I love LDS films, even the corny and think they age gracefully. I think my all time favorite is the original Johnny Lingo... maybe I'll watch it tonight... I know it's just a short film, but ends with a good message. GG
Tacenda Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I think my all time favorite is the original Johnny Lingo... maybe I'll watch it tonight... I know it's just a short film, but ends with a good message.GGI have the second version of "Johnny Lingo" that I bought when my kids were younger. When I say corny, I think of the movie, "Home Teachers"! There's a part at the end I think you especially would like and it's my favorite part of the movie. Very entertaining, and I loved it. Showed the human side of Mormonism a lot.
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