jaxenro Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 Is there LDS teaching on the matter? I thought beyond staying within the bonds of matrimony it was up to the two individuals involved?
Bikeemikey Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 However, not all they teach is in alignment with LDS teaching on the matter.I wasn't able to find anything opposed to gospel teachings... Only only previewed both links provided and listened to about half the mormon stories interview.Do you have some examples of teachings that are out of alignment?Cheers!
Calm Posted March 16, 2014 Posted March 16, 2014 http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mormontherapist/2012/08/my-official-stance-on-masturbation.html
asweaterfriend Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 My wife's mission president was an OB. Soon after we were married we went to her mission reunion and her mission president asked us about having kids, mentioning that he had books that could help us if we needed. I had no idea he was an OB and was super confused/weirded out. After some explaining on the way home, things made more sense, ha.
cinepro Posted March 19, 2014 Author Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mormontherapist/2012/08/my-official-stance-on-masturbation.html Hmmm... So here goes my position: Masturbation is not sinful behavior in of itself nor is it a transgression. - Natasha Helfer Parker The Lord condemns self-abuse. Self-abuse is the act of stimulating the procreative power of one’s own body. President Boyd K. Packer, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, said: “Do not be guilty of tampering or playing with this sacred power of creation. … “… It is not pleasing to the Lord, nor is it pleasing to you. It does not make you feel worthy or clean.” Elder Callister, March 2014 Ensign Although I would suggest that if it isn't pleasing to you, you're probably doing it wrong. From what I've heard. Edited March 19, 2014 by cinepro
Duncan Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 Hmmm... Although I would suggest that if it isn't pleasing to you, you're probably doing it wrong. From what I've heard. a few years ago our Stake President told us in a stake priesthood meeting that "Masturbation leads to murder" which I find rather quite distressing to me as I live across the street from a High School, I am doooooooooooooooooooomed!!!!!!!
strappinglad Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 We were informed by a teacher in the language training mission that we should control our dreams so as to not have nocturnal emissions . I just shrugged my shoulders at that one .Could be the guy was in cahoots with the laundry staff.
jaxenro Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 Ok you have some strange ideas there. All I remember from being a member is we could do anything we were already doing nothing really changed
EllenMaksoud Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 Last Saturday evening, our Stake had a meeting for married couples where we were promised to hear speakers that would tell us how to strengthen our marriages. While I generally dislike Saturday evening meetings, I'm not one to pass up on a cheap date, so I was glad to attend, not expecting much. At the very least, I can promise you I was not bored! The meeting, under the guidance of the Stake President (who said we might have to re-dedicate the chapel afterwards), consisted of a talk by a married couple who do marriage counseling, an LDS OB/GYN, and the SP himself. While at least 50% of the remarks involved cliches about marriages and innuendo (if there were any couples in attendance where the wife had a stronger sex drive than the husband, their situation was not addressed or acknowledged), there was plenty to keep everyone interested. Certainly, I would venture a guess it was the first time the words "orgasm", "sexual lubricant" and "Viagra" were used over the pulpit in that building. They also showed a couple YouTube videos that were pretty funny: Can't find the other one, but it was a comedian joking about the supposed decline in men's sexual desire after the age of 18. It was the first Church meeting I've been to in years where no one was on their cell phone and everyone was paying attention. If someone had the guts to just be blunt and tell the truth, a lot more people would still be married.
jaxenro Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 If someone had the guts to just be blunt and tell the truth, a lot more people would still be married.The truth about what?
EllenMaksoud Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 The truth about what?Are you daring me to get blunt here? How long do you think this thread will last then? OK, what the heck. If he could say and she would believe that his lack of desire is not about her being sexy. If he could get that her being cranky may not be about him. Sure, to him his beating his chest is not about her being inferior, but perhaps about his Testosterone levels, and his insecurity. We grow up in an unrealistic Judeo/Christian culture that lays expectations on us that just produce stress. That those innocent to her women's magazines might be pornographic to him. I actually heard a bishop tell a wife that she needs to obey him, that he is the boss. For a moment I thought I was back in Islam, and he was interpreting surah 4:34. We need to recognize that refusing to go to a store without a list is a survival tactic, not just a good idea. There is more, but let's see if this thread survives.
jaxenro Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 I never go to the store without a list but I do almost all the shopping in my house and I don't make the list. I think my wife should obey me, my wife thinks she should obey me, it is who we are and we're when LDS was nothing more than a cheesy TV commercial to us. I don't claim religious justification for it or say others should be that way, how they choose to live their lives is up to them, but we are who we are and change for no man. I guess I have just never seen the need for someone to tell us how to have sex or how to communicate with the person I am sharing my life with
EllenMaksoud Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) I never go to the store without a list but I do almost all the shopping in my house and I don't make the list.I think my wife should obey me, my wife thinks she should obey me, it is who we are and we're when LDS was nothing more than a cheesy TV commercial to us. I don't claim religious justification for it or say others should be that way, how they choose to live their lives is up to them, but we are who we are and change for no man.I guess I have just never seen the need for someone to tell us how to have sex or how to communicate with the person I am sharing my life withAND, though it is not accepted in Western culture, Genesis 3:16 actually lays it out for women. However, to borrow a phrase from Islam, men and women need to work out their relationship equitably. I was raised with a man that was so violent, I actually tried to defend myself from him with a hatchet, though he just laughed at me and took it. That any one should feel the need to defend themselves with violence is an abomination of the most vile kind. On the other side, I actually met a Mormon woman with a locking collar around her neck. I totally understood that. The best leaders I have known showed no need to let anyone know who is boss. Oddly, when I was working, I often had others working for me. I do not remember ever having to raise my voice. That you should tell your wife not to travel because it was too dangerous or something is understandable. That you should tell her how to bake a cake is down right overbearing and in my kitchen would be dangerous. Edited March 19, 2014 by EllenMaksoud
jaxenro Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 Delegate, delegate. I only do dishes when allowed. I may be the boss but I'm not stupidAlthough I was only nominally Christian when I married Christ does set an example. Christ never compels obedience we offer it to Him. Neither should a husband ever compel or force obedience from his wife. I have known women who wore collars too. To them it symbolized a commitment like a wedding ring does. Only deeper.
EllenMaksoud Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 Delegate, delegate. I only do dishes when allowed. I may be the boss but I'm not stupidAlthough I was only nominally Christian when I married Christ does set an example. Christ never compels obedience we offer it to Him. Neither should a husband ever compel or force obedience from his wife.I have known women who wore collars too. To them it symbolized a commitment like a wedding ring does. Only deeper.I still have mine, but no one takes the key from me.
mtomm Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Okay, I have no clue what is going on in this thread now.
Duncan Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 Okay, I have no clue what is going on in this thread now. it's this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmXqL8-9dqk
theplains Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 I actually heard a bishop tell a wife that she needs to obey him, that he is the boss. For a moment I thought I was back in Islam, and he was interpreting surah 4:34. "Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and whatthey spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient,guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives]from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them inbed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means againstthem. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand" (source: http://quran.com/4/34). When you read this part of the Quran, did you view it as the words of a true God or a falseprophet? Thanks,Jim
mtomm Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 it's this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmXqL8-9dqk Yes, n it's this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmXqL8-9dqk OIC, a tastefully interesting thread about great sex turns into a discussion of dog collars. It was a natural progression.
EllenMaksoud Posted March 20, 2014 Posted March 20, 2014 "Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and whatthey spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient,guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives]from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them inbed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means againstthem. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand" (source: http://quran.com/4/34). When you read this part of the Quran, did you view it as the words of a true God or a falseprophet? Thanks,Jim Where did that come from? I did and still do see Muhammad PBUH as a prophet, and so have a few members of the church leadership. I believe in the Qur'an, but since it is written in Classical Arabic, a language that is no longer actually understood very well, there is often confusion about its interpretation. Interpretations of that passage run from very strict to not believing that it is allowed to hit a woman at all. I started out with the very conservative Niqabi crowd, but over the years moderated greatly. Incidentally, belief in Muhammad PBUH as a prophet, and the Qur'an as from Allah SWT, is what made possible to embrace Mormonism so easily.
theplains Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 Where did that come from? I did and still do see Muhammad PBUH as a prophet, and so have a few members of the church leadership. I believe in the Qur'an, but since it is written in Classical Arabic, a language that is no longer actually understood very well, there is often confusion about its interpretation ... Incidentally, belief in Muhammad PBUH as a prophet, and the Qur'an as from Allah SWT, is what made possible to embrace Mormonism so easily. There are many teachings in the Quran that are unbiblical and which cannot be swept asideby the 'its real meaning can only be understood in Arabic' excuse. For instance, the Qurandenies the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. It even contradicts some Old Testamentteachings. This is something attested to by even Arabic scholars. A more detailed comparisonis found here. So, did these contradictions originate with Muhammad or was it because those who cameafter Muhammad worked together to produce corrupted texts? Thanks,Jim
EllenMaksoud Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 There are many teachings in the Quran that are unbiblical and which cannot be swept asideby the 'its real meaning can only be understood in Arabic' excuse. For instance, the Qurandenies the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. It even contradicts some Old Testamentteachings. This is something attested to by even Arabic scholars. A more detailed comparisonis found here. So, did these contradictions originate with Muhammad or was it because those who cameafter Muhammad worked together to produce corrupted texts? Thanks,JimPlease, lets keep this on friendly terms. I spent 33 years as an Evangelical and left out of frustration with certain of my denominations hate filled doctrines. I became Muslim in the fall of 2005. During that time, I used to be amused by Muslim scholars saying with some authority the strangest things about Christianity. At the same time, I just rolled my eyes at what some conservative Christians were saying about Islam. I think that John Hagee was one of the worst. Now, I get to listen to the sometimes outrageous opinions of both EV and Muslims about Mormonism, and visa versa. It is a crazy world out there. And believe me there are some woppers out there. You should hear what the EV used to say about the Catholics. All this has made me really careful. Perhaps one of the marks of someone who really wants to know God is that they will not say evil of ANY other. AND, I wonder if attack Christians just feel bad about themselves and their religion so they try to pull others down to their level. One of the things that keeps me Mormon in spite of the fact that I do not believe all of the "stuff", is that I have not seen them attacking anyone. I have been looking briefly at your link and so far it looks pretty good. AND I was a woman in Islam, so I was not involved in the deep discussions of the men. I used the Yusuf Ali interpretation of the meaning of the Qur'an. Because of the nature and antiquity of the Arabic in which the Quran is written, there is a lot of debate about what it means. And frankly, just like in Christianity, there is wide divergence of thought in the faith. And, Islam split at the Death of Muhammad PBUH, just like Mormonism did, yes over succession. So, there are five main schools of thought in Sunni Islam http://www.al-islam.org/inquiries-about-shia-islam-sayyid-moustafa-al-qazwini/five-schools-islamic-thought, then there are the Shia, the Sufi and the Ahmadiyya. I have been planning to attend an Ahmadiyya Mosque just to see what their beliefs are, but have not gotten around to it. Some people love to hate Muslims; the Military/Industrial complex is one and the other I explained previously. Those who have hateful things to say about others do not know the same God I do. I am pretty casual in my Islamic thinking now, though I did start out wearing the Niqab. Much to the confusion of some, it just feels like I am both Muslim and Mormon, though this morning I did have bacon and eggs.
theplains Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) Please, lets keep this on friendly terms. I spent 33 years as an Evangelical and left out of frustration with certain of my denominations hate filled doctrines. If you have some time, I would like to hear about some of your experiences (without namingthe denominations) of the hate-filled doctrines that you have been exposed to in yourspiritual journey. Would make for an interesting topic in the Social Hall. Thank you,Jim Edited March 21, 2014 by theplains
EllenMaksoud Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 If you have some time, I would like to hear about some of your experiences (without namingthe denominations) of the hate-filled doctrines that you have been exposed to in yourspiritual journey. Would make for an interesting topic in the Social Hall. Thank you,Jim If you have some time, I would like to hear about some of your experiences (without namingthe denominations) of the hate-filled doctrines that you have been exposed to in yourspiritual journey. Would make for an interesting topic in the Social Hall. Thank you,JimI would love to. It may be later tonight. I just got off work and am in a lot of pain.
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