What About Those "good" R-Rated Movies?

[Garden Girl]

 

But I don't read fiction and I don't play other games, I have never been into team sports, so my recreation is arguing religion with people, and exercising.  Pretty much all I read is philosophy and science magazines.  Most movies bore me or I am too busy looking for flaws in their logic.  I am a total nerd.

 

Hello mfb...

About fiction... you have missed some really wonderful writing... I'm talking classics and some modern fiction... not the foo-foo, or purposefully sensuous etc   Steinbeck, Mischner, Austin, Poe, Hawthorne, Melville, Fitzgerald, etc etc too numerous to list... and some of today's courtroom, spy, and battlefield stories are great...

 

When I lived in So Cal, I was a Los Ang Rams fan in their glory days... in San Fran, I was a 49-er Faithful particularly in the Joe Montana wonder years... Now here I am retired in the wilds of the Oregon coast and my preference is BYU sports... Tonight I just finished watching the Men's Volleyball Team sweep Stanford, 3 sets to 0 (snapping Stanford's 13-game winning streak) to win the MPSF (Mountain Pacific Sports Federation) Championship... now they go back to Chicago to play Loyola for the national title... Go Cougars... 

 

GG

[Stargazer]

I like this article by OSC:

 

Is There An R-rated Movie Commandment?

 

That being said, it is my impression that there is still a strong belief among a certain segment of American LDS that R-rated movies should be totally avoided, no matter how "good" they are.  There are even some families that won't generally watch PG-13 movies (a few in my extended family and a few in my stake, so I know they are out there, though they do make exceptions).

 

But my views on this have certainly been skewed by my time in a very liberal part of the world, where friends who were Bishops and Stake Presidents regularly watched R-rated movies.  One friend who was a Bishop got some "negative feedback" from referencing "The Matrix" in one of his talks to the youth .

 

I thought this OSC quote particularly insightful:

 

"Yet there are always Latter-day Saints who want to live in a pharisaical church."

[Bikeemikey]

That's another issue. You pay through the nose and come out feeling like you want to take a shower after seeing the movie. Wonderful stuff!

Brings to mind my new movement:

WWJP

What would Jesus pay?

Helpful when negotiating discounts

[Bikeemikey]

I thought this OSC quote particularly insightful:

"Yet there are always Latter-day Saints who want to live in a pharisaical church."

How does this relate to cinepros post?

[JAHS]

Air force One and The Green Mile are a couple of my favorites.

 

Our youth are told:

"Do not attend, view, or participate in entertainment that is vulgar, immoral, violent, or pornographic in any way. Do not participate in entertainment that in any way presents immorality or violent behavior as acceptable. Depictions of violence often glamorize vicious behavior. They offend the Spirit and make you less able to respond to others in a sensitive, caring way. They contradict the Savior’s message of love for one another.

Have the courage to walk out of a movie or video party, turn off a computer or television, change a radio station, or put down a magazine if what is being presented does not meet Heavenly Father’s standards." (For the Strength of Youth)

 

Notice no specific mention of R or PG-13 rated movies. When deciding what movie to watch we can take the above advice and apply it to our decision without having to worry about how it is rated.

As Elder H. Burke Peterson said regarding movies:

"Our standards should not be dictated by the rating system." (Gen. Conf. Oct. 1993).

[Stargazer]

How does this relate to cinepros post?

 

That was a quote from the link that he posted, duh.

[Bikeemikey]

That was a quote from the link that he posted, duh.

My question was not intending to clarify where did the quote came from but where you see "pharisaical" activity occurring relative to R-rated video watching.

I can see the way I wrote it was not clear.

I assumed that as you found the quote insightful you were relating said insight to the subject at hand, given that the quote was from a post about the subject at hand.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Bikeemikey

[Calm]

I personally, am trying to avoid sugar. I find sugar is more of a detriment to my health than caffeine. Have we been advised to avoid sugar?

The LDS Church advising to avoid sugar would be like Budweiser advising to avoid beer.

Not specifically advised to completely avoid it, but the implication is to cut down and replace with healthier foods.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/02/a-principle-with-promises?lang=eng

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/03/young-adults/i-strive-to-be-healthy-by?lang=eng

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/02/nourishing-our-bodies-and-our-spirits?lang=eng

https://www.lds.org/manual/young-women-manual-1/lesson-38-nutrition-and-the-word-of-wisdom?lang=eng

https://providentliving.lds.org/bc/providentliving/content/english/self-reliance/health/pdf/nutrition-and-diet.pdf?lang=eng

Edited April 27, 2014 by calmoriah

[Stargazer]

My question was not intending to clarify where did the quote came from but where you see "pharisaical" activity occurring relative to R-rated video watching.

I can see the way I wrote it was not clear.

I assumed that as you found the quote insightful you were relating said insight to the subject at hand, given that the quote was from a post about the subject at hand.

 

OK, fair enough.

 

To be "Pharsaical" is to not only hold to the letter of the law, but to take the law further, often far further than it was ever intended to go, inventing a multitude of picky rules to go along with it.

 

This results in things like specifying how many steps you can take outside your house on the Sabbath, after which you are counted as having broken the Sabbath.  And since you are not allowed to ignite a fire on the Sabbath, this means that you are not allowed to flip a lightswitch to turn on a light on the Sabbath -- but it's OK to flip it just before sundown and let it burn all day long.  If a child in the house accidentally turns the radio on with the volume at maximum, well, that's OK, the child is innocent, but you may not turn the radio back off, because this is "like" turning it on, and it's the Sabbath.  The only way out is to get a Gentile to come into the house to turn the radio off, but you're not allowed to ask directly, because that would be, again, "like" turning it on or off yourself.  

 

Latter-day Saints might go "pharasaical" by taking the prohibition against "hot drinks", interpreted as coffee and black tea, and going with caffeinated drinks, and non-caffeine-containing drinks that are called "teas", such as peppermint tea, as against the Word of Wisdom.  Despite the fact that caffeine isn't mentioned in the WoW, and despite the fact that the word "tea" refers to camilla sinensis, a particular plant, and the word "tea" having taken on a double meaning, what used to be called an "infusion".  And then you're in trouble if you live in England, because the evening meal is very frequently called "Tea".  So that means you can't eat the evening meal.

 

You see what I mean, and what Card means by "phasisaical"?

[Bikeemikey]

OK, fair enough.

To be "Pharsaical" is to not only hold to the letter of the law, but to take the law further, often far further than it was ever intended to go, inventing a multitude of picky rules to go along with it.

This results in things like specifying how many steps you can take outside your house on the Sabbath, after which you are counted as having broken the Sabbath. And since you are not allowed to ignite a fire on the Sabbath, this means that you are not allowed to flip a lightswitch to turn on a light on the Sabbath -- but it's OK to flip it just before sundown and let it burn all day long. If a child in the house accidentally turns the radio on with the volume at maximum, well, that's OK, the child is innocent, but you may not turn the radio back off, because this is "like" turning it on, and it's the Sabbath. The only way out is to get a Gentile to come into the house to turn the radio off, but you're not allowed to ask directly, because that would be, again, "like" turning it on or off yourself.

Latter-day Saints might go "pharasaical" by taking the prohibition against "hot drinks", interpreted as coffee and black tea, and going with caffeinated drinks, and non-caffeine-containing drinks that are called "teas", such as peppermint tea, as against the Word of Wisdom. Despite the fact that caffeine isn't mentioned in the WoW, and despite the fact that the word "tea" refers to camilla sinensis, a particular plant, and the word "tea" having taken on a double meaning, what used to be called an "infusion". And then you're in trouble if you live in England, because the evening meal is very frequently called "Tea". So that means you can't eat the evening meal.

You see what I mean, and what Card means by "phasisaical"?

Yep, and I agree with it.

[mfbukowski]

Brings to mind my new movement:

WWJP

What would Jesus pay?

Helpful when negotiating discounts

 

That is actually an excellent idea.  I wonder how much he would spend on the latest smart phone?

[mfbukowski]

Hello mfb...

About fiction... you have missed some really wonderful writing... I'm talking classics and some modern fiction... not the foo-foo, or purposefully sensuous etc   Steinbeck, Mischner, Austin, Poe, Hawthorne, Melville, Fitzgerald, etc etc too numerous to list... and some of today's courtroom, spy, and battlefield stories are great...

 

When I lived in So Cal, I was a Los Ang Rams fan in their glory days... in San Fran, I was a 49-er Faithful particularly in the Joe Montana wonder years... Now here I am retired in the wilds of the Oregon coast and my preference is BYU sports... Tonight I just finished watching the Men's Volleyball Team sweep Stanford, 3 sets to 0 (snapping Stanford's 13-game winning streak) to win the MPSF (Mountain Pacific Sports Federation) Championship... now they go back to Chicago to play Loyola for the national title... Go Cougars... 

 

GG

Hey, you don't know what fun is!!

 

Puzzling out Wittgenstein's implied conception of the self, and how that relates to religious language games- now THAT is the kind of game I can get behind!!

 

I get to play the game and don't have to be bored watching a bunch of guys running around, waiting to find out how it turns out-  very cool stuff!!