Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Not sure you understand what I said. That form of ghost isn't real in the sense that there is a disembodied spirit involved, its more like something very intense happened and for some reason that area took like a photographic image -This is what they call a residual haunt. Were there seems to be no intelligence behind the paranormal events but there is something there. And the same things happen over and over. Like foot steps every night at 2:00 AM. Now there are intelligent haunts that happen were there is something there that can respond to humans. Some of these haunts are demonic in nature. Others just seem to be dead people. The demonic stuff scares me and I think some of the paranormal investigators are careless. Most of the stuff they catch though, seem tame in nature and I think (they do to) present no real issues. Also sometimes it seems that people are can be bound to a certain artifact or thing that affected their life. I have not actually done my own investigations but I want to get involved in it. I want to got the mental health facility in Tooele. It is wildly haunted. Also the union station in Ogden as well as it seems most of the major theaters in this state. Like Capitol Theater and teh Egyptian.
Duncan Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Here is one link, there are many others and there are documentary videos which make the same distinction:http://ghosts.wikia.com/wiki/Imprint_Ghost ah! Thank you for the link! I read it and I dunno, I just don't agree with it, it doesn't seem to fit within the plan of salvation to my understanding. I don't buy into auras, for sure people give off vibes but it isn't a colour or something. I dunno, I just don't believe!! hahahahaha!
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 ah! Thank you for the link! I read it and I dunno, I just don't agree with it, it doesn't seem to fit within the plan of salvation to my understanding. I don't buy into auras, for sure people give off vibes but it isn't a colour or something. I dunno, I just don't believe!! hahahahaha!When I go to the Tooele Mental Health Facility to investiage. Will you join me? I know travel and all that. Ha.
Duncan Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 When I go to the Tooele Mental Health Facility to investiage. Will you join me? I know travel and all that. Ha. What does Investiage mean! I am Canadian I am not knowing these things!!!! sure i'll go to Toolie with you I guess if I have to!!
Tacenda Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) This is what they call a residual haunt. Were there seems to be no intelligence behind the paranormal events but there is something there. And the same things happen over and over. Like foot steps every night at 2:00 AM.Now there are intelligent haunts that happen were there is something there that can respond to humans. Some of these haunts are demonic in nature. Others just seem to be dead people. The demonic stuff scares me and I think some of the paranormal investigators are careless. Most of the stuff they catch though, seem tame in nature and I think (they do to) present no real issues.Also sometimes it seems that people are can be bound to a certain artifact or thing that affected their life. I have not actually done my own investigations but I want to get involved in it. I want to got the mental health facility in Tooele. It is wildly haunted. Also the union station in Ogden as well as it seems most of the major theaters in this state. Like Capitol Theater and teh Egyptian.I went on the Park City ghost tour last summer, it was quite illuminating. One of the stories involved the blue house at the top of main street on the east side. I guess several occupants throughout the years, have died there. And it wasn't their old age, but strange deaths. It is currently up for sale, I feel sorry for the person that buys it. Another ghost story was of a woman in the late 1800's that killed herself out of loneliness. Her husband left her alone often for work out of town. Apparently women didn't go out by themselves unless they were a prostitute. This was a mining town. I guess this makes a difference. So this lady had had enough and swallowed strictnine poisoning. Her husband and another person came home soon after and tried to stop her from dying by pouring hot tea down her throat. I guess the husband and this fellow had to hold her down to do it. One pouring the tea down and one holding her down. She died anyway but with a horrible contorted facial expression. And in the last several years people have seen her coming down the street that she lived on with the same horrible facial expression and wearing a long dress of the time period. I guess there are several documented cases of these sightings. Edited October 29, 2013 by Tacenda 1
The Nehor Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 Yeah, going to have to go with "all bunk" here. 1
Stone holm Posted October 29, 2013 Author Posted October 29, 2013 ah! Thank you for the link! I read it and I dunno, I just don't agree with it, it doesn't seem to fit within the plan of salvation to my understanding. I don't buy into auras, for sure people give off vibes but it isn't a colour or something. I dunno, I just don't believe!! hahahahaha! Yeah, not sure what it has to do with the plan of salvation -- I view it as simply a type of natural phenomenon that we don't understand as yet. So saying that projecting a normal halogram doesn't seem to fit with the plan of salvation wouldn't make much sense. The difference here is we are all a bit skeptical as to whether this is type of thing is hocus pocus -- that I can accept. Only met two people who claimed to see auras and they were both a bit whacked -- so not sure if I believe in them or not. I do believe in vibes though -- but I think that is something within us some kind of conditioning or something. What does Investiage mean! I am Canadian I am not knowing these things!!!! sure i'll go to Toolie with you I guess if I have to!! Its a form of triage created by the auto-misconstruct in his iPad or computer. Wish I knew how to turn the stupid function off. 1
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 What does Investiage mean! I am Canadian I am not knowing these things!!!! sure i'll go to Toolie with you I guess if I have to!!You know, to scope things out and try to capture paranormal evidence. "Investigate". Did I spell it wrong or something?
Stone holm Posted October 30, 2013 Author Posted October 30, 2013 You know, to scope things out and try to capture paranormal evidence. "Investigate". Did I spell it wrong or something? Yes Mola you did the first time, or possibly your computer did for you which happens to me all the time.
Duncan Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 You know, to scope things out and try to capture paranormal evidence. "Investigate". Did I spell it wrong or something? I think it was spelled wrong, which is okay! it was investiage, which sounds like a ritual or something! hahaha!
Stone holm Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 Yeah, going to have to go with "all bunk" here.Basis for the all bunk being you aren't scared of the dark, or you don't believe in a spirit existence after death?
The Nehor Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Basis for the all bunk being you aren't scared of the dark, or you don't believe in a spirit existence after death?Mostly that I do not believe that there are imprints on an area causing repetitive haunts or that the dead spend a lot of time hanging around at the same location so investigators can take blurry photographs of ghosts to fuel those absurd documentaries on the History Channel they keep making to fit between the one on Nazi Occultist rituals and the one on how aliens built the pyramids.I am not afraid of the dark unless I am convinced there is something in the dark. I am definitely not afraid of dead people (unequivocally the least dangerous kind of people). I believe in continued existence after death. I have had experiences with the dead and disembodied (both benevolent and malevolent). I have had no experiences that lead me to believe that paranormal investigators are dealing with the real thing or that the standard haunt or ghost experience ever actually happens. 1
Stone holm Posted October 31, 2013 Author Posted October 31, 2013 Mostly that I do not believe that there are imprints on an area causing repetitive haunts or that the dead spend a lot of time hanging around at the same location so investigators can take blurry photographs of ghosts to fuel those absurd documentaries on the History Channel they keep making to fit between the one on Nazi Occultist rituals and the one on how aliens built the pyramids.I am not afraid of the dark unless I am convinced there is something in the dark. I am definitely not afraid of dead people (unequivocally the least dangerous kind of people). I believe in continued existence after death. I have had experiences with the dead and disembodied (both benevolent and malevolent). I have had no experiences that lead me to believe that paranormal investigators are dealing with the real thing or that the standard haunt or ghost experience ever actually happens. Okay, I can go with that. I have had no personal experience with the apparition type ghost, but am open to the imprint explanation as it makes more sense than a real spirit doing the same thing over and over again. If there is some way of causing that time of imprint, then it is susceptible to scientific investigation as it is, according to the theory, some form of natural phenomenon. I think the real spirit investigation are most likely beyond the ability of mortal science. I do, however, confess to be intrigued with the ancient astronaut theories -- not so much with things about the Nazis.
thesometimesaint Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Recently got in a long discussion on Facebook with a nephew who is a physician, about the existence or non existence of ghosts. He is an atheist and so not surprisingly he does not believe in them. What has surprised me over the years, however, is how many members do not believe in them. I am curious as to how an active member could somehow not believe in ghosts. There is only one ghost that I believe in and he is holy.
Stone holm Posted November 1, 2013 Author Posted November 1, 2013 There is only one ghost that I believe in and he is holy. Really? So you don't believe in life after death?
Tacenda Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Really? So you don't believe in life after death?Strange phenomenon huh? My husband doesn't believe in ghosts either. How can LDS like him not believe?
Stone holm Posted November 1, 2013 Author Posted November 1, 2013 Strange phenomenon huh? My husband doesn't believe in ghosts either. How can LDS like him not believe?Not sure, but it's not uncommon for Mormons to not believe in ghosts, I have experienced it with my own kids. I think it is because the Protestants and Catholics believe that Heaven or the Spirit World is someplace else. We contribute to the confusion a little with hymns that talk about us going someplace else to live with our Heavenly Parents, etc.
Duncan Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Strange phenomenon huh? My husband doesn't believe in ghosts either. How can LDS like him not believe? well, let me tell you a little about our organization!
Tacenda Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) well, let me tell you a little about our organization!I really didn't listen well in SS class did I? But maybe we're calling it the wrong thing and should call them spirit beings, according to my husband. Because ghosts haunt. Edited November 2, 2013 by Tacenda
Duncan Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 I really didn't listen well in SS class did I? But maybe we're calling it the wrong thing and should call them spirit beings, according to my husband. Because ghosts haunt. that's the thing I believe in visitations from family members and those kinds of things and visions from God and Jesus and all that but do I believe someone is doomed to haunt a old theatre? or one story in my city there is supposed to be someone haunting an abandoned novelty store at a dumpy mall downtown, that I think is nutsy!! like don't we believe that when you are dead you are taken home to that God who gave you life?
Stone holm Posted November 2, 2013 Author Posted November 2, 2013 that's the thing I believe in visitations from family members and those kinds of things and visions from God and Jesus and all that but do I believe someone is doomed to haunt a old theatre? or one story in my city there is supposed to be someone haunting an abandoned novelty store at a dumpy mall downtown, that I think is nutsy!! like don't we believe that when you are dead you are taken home to that God who gave you life?I agree that Spirits don't haunt a place doing something over and over.I am not exactly certain that it is accurate to say that when we die we go back to Heavenly Father, does anyone know where that idea came from? I don't. It seems to me, but this my own speculation in case somebody has a macro that automatically punches in CFR , that what we teach is that we go either to the spirit world, the spirit prison, or hell. I don't think Heavenly Father is in any of those locations. Actually, I have met quite a few Mormons, who believe as I do that those are all the same location and the difference is us. Also, it is my understanding, which could be wrong that the place is right here.
Duncan Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 I agree that Spirits don't haunt a place doing something over and over.I am not exactly certain that it is accurate to say that when we die we go back to Heavenly Father, does anyone know where that idea came from? I don't. It seems to me, but this my own speculation in case somebody has a macro that automatically punches in CFR , that what we teach is that we go either to the spirit world, the spirit prison, or hell. I don't think Heavenly Father is in any of those locations. Actually, I have met quite a few Mormons, who believe as I do that those are all the same location and the difference is us. Also, it is my understanding, which could be wrong that the place is right here. Alma 40:11, it doesn't necessarily mean that when we dead we are ushered into God's presence but into the spirit world, either paradise or prison. But I don't think there is any hauntings or tomfoolery like that
altersteve Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 I don't really believe in ghosts either. Not as they're portrayed in horror films, anyway.
thesometimesaint Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) Really? So you don't believe in life after death? Yes I belive in life after death. Ghosts walking around scaring mortals, not so muuch. Edited November 2, 2013 by thesometimesaint
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 I believe in visitations of comfort, to pass on information as one off experiences etc. but I don't believe in hauntings or poltergeists-mind you I believe that Satan is real as are his minions and they spook and startle us but they only have power over us as we give them FWIW I laughed so hard at the Exorcist movie!!!Good point. When many say they don't believe in Ghosts is the negative connotation that all Ghosts would be here to haunt..this is the part of Ghosts that I do not believe in, but I do believe in disembodied spirits that can act as angels for God's sake and our own.
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