CV75 Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 So the devil wasn't evil, he was an activist for good?P.S. The devil was an activist for evil, and it really back-fired on him, didn't it!
bluebell Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 You and I must be going to different LDS churches, because beards, pink shirts, pants on women - those things are frowned upon and discussed in leadership meetings. And we've never had a woman pray at General Conference.One of our counselor's has a beard in my ward and a lot of guys wear colored shirts. Some wards worry about dumb things. 1
pogi Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 Maybe we all need to forget about what we're wearing and who is saying the prayers, and enjoy communion with the Spirit, and the privilege of holy ordinances. We've been offered a banquet, and some seem to worry so much about who gets a fork and who gets a spoon.I think you make an excellent point! It reminds me of President Uchtdorf's talk in priesthood session: "They are like passengers on an airplane who spend their time grumbling about the size of the packet of peanuts while they are soaring through the air, far above the clouds—something ancient kings would have given all they possessed to try and experience just once!" He was specifically speaking of the sadness he feels for those who do not grasp and appreciate the priesthood, but I think it also works for those who do not grasp and appreciate membership in this church. In the same talk he said:"I always loved flying, whether it was in a Piper Cub, an F-18, or any other plane. While in the Piper Cub, I did not complain about the lack of speed; while in the F-18, I did not grumble when the strain of the aerobatic maneuvers mercilessly revealed the realities of my advancing age.Yes, there is always something imperfect in any situation. Yes, it is easy to find things to complain about."While I see nothing wrong with groups making formal suggestions in addressing cultural practices that might be improved upon in the church, we are talking about peanuts here. 1
Brenda Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 You and I must be going to different LDS churches, because beards, pink shirts, pants on women - those things are frowned upon and discussed in leadership meetings.And we've never had a woman pray at General Conference.Yet, I see women in pants, and men with beards, etc. ..... our 1st counselor has a full beard. And again, ask anyone, if they object to women praying in any meeting. I'll bet even Pres. Monson would not object. Why it hasn't happened? I don't know, but it's not because anyone has anything against women praying publicly. Probably just a numbers thing.
pogi Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) For that reason, I really hope that only men pray this conference. I have no problem with women praying in conference, but I don't like the Church dancing while being pistol-whipped. Or "these people" thinking that they have made the Church dance.Seems like kind of an arrogant attitude for a church to have. This is the very attitude that has created such a divisive polarity in politics that has eradicated compromise to the point where nothing gets done in this country. But at least the other party didn't get the satisfaction of being right! right? The church is not being pistol whipped here, you give these groups way too much power. The church is not dancing out of intimidation, it is simply offering it's hand to a new dancing partner. You should not view these groups as enemies of the church, they just want to dance. Lets give them room to dance within the confines of doctrinal standards and not limit them to old and tired cultural norms.I agree that the reasons, intentions, attitudes, and methods of some of these women are less than savory, but as a church we should do what is right and let the consequence follow. I see nothing wrong with their desire and add my voice with those savory voices in the crowd in saying, let them dance. Edited March 23, 2013 by pogi 1
Calm Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 I was young when the Sonia Johnson fiasco occurred but apparently she was ex'ed for things she wanted.Tons more to her story than just being "ex'ed for things she wanted".
Stone holm Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 The question I have is I started a post on this same topic as soon as the Salt Lake Tribune article came out and it immediately got locked, so why did this one survive?
Calm Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) The question I have is I started a post on this same topic as soon as the Salt Lake Tribune article came out and it immediately got locked, so why did this one survive?Yours was a duplicate, IIRC. There was one already discussing the article in In The News.Was going off memory, but just doublechecked and I was right. Yours was posted 3 days ago and the other was posted 4 days (IIRC it was posted around 10:30 PM MT) and already had some discussion on it, IIRC (I had read it before midnight, I know that, can't remember if I commented on it at that time or not though...add-on and on: looks like I did comment on it at that time).http://www.mormondia...omen-will-pray/ Edited March 24, 2013 by calmoriah
Rivers Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 I never even noticed that women don't pray in conference.
Brenda Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 I never even noticed that women don't pray in conference.You are among the vast majority. Many of the self-proclaimed feminists said the same thing.
Nathair/|\ Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 Thank you for the "duh" comment that I apparently haven't been able to type out. I'm outdone by a woman again!!Don't feel bad. Cal's just that good. 1
Stone holm Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 You are among the vast majority. Many of the self-proclaimed feminists said the same thing.That was my wife's reaction she was almost certain they had.
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