mathonihah Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 it doesn't mention alcohol spicifically either, ...I think it does. "Strong drink" literally means anything that has alcohol in it. That makes it the forbidden ingredient.
mathonihah Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Although, to be quite honest, a few months ago I took a small swig of the stuff into my mouth out of curiosity, and I thought it was going to tear the lining out of my mouth. Even after I spit it out my mouth felt, well, bad. For hours. Don't try this at home, folks...I use a mouth wash called Listerine Total Care. It has a high concentration of alcohol in it, and that is what it does to your mouth. It is hard to hold it in your mouth for more than a few seconds. I dilute it with water to make it more tolerable, although on the bottle it says you shouldn't. But my dentist said I could. It was recommended to me by my dentist because it doesn't stain your teeth, which most other mouth washes do. And it is a very good mouth wash. It does the job it is supposed to do. And I don't own any shares in the company!
Saints Alive Posted February 10, 2013 Author Posted February 10, 2013 I have two bottles of 200 proof Everclear in my closet (my wife is a herbalist and uses it to make tinctures). Are you saying that since this alcohol isn't wine, and it certainly isn't "strong drink", that it is not a violation of the WoW for me to drink it? Everclear most certainly IS strong drink, both by modern standards and by the standards at the time the WoW was revealed, since everclear is a distilled liquor. So I'm not sure what brought you to the conclusion that its not a strong drink.
Saints Alive Posted February 10, 2013 Author Posted February 10, 2013 I think it does. "Strong drink" literally means anything that has alcohol in it. That makes it the forbidden ingredient. No, according to the dictionary's of the time "strong drink" was defined as distilled liquor. Beer is brewed not distilled.
thesometimesaint Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 There is no doubt that alcohol is the reason for the prohibition of fermented drinks, including wine.Probably, but there is alcohol in a great many things including those nice yeast breads we love to eat. It is a very small amount but it is there.
Saints Alive Posted February 10, 2013 Author Posted February 10, 2013 Probably, but there is alcohol in a great many things including those nice yeast breads we love to eat. It is a very small amount but it is there.here are a few of those many things: orange juice, vanilla, cough syrup, apple cider...
thesometimesaint Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Everclear most certainly IS strong drink, both by modern standards and by the standards at the time the WoW was revealed, since everclear is a distilled liquor. So I'm not sure what brought you to the conclusion that its not a strong drink.While Everclear can be used, a good Bourbon Whiskey, or single malt Scotch is better flavor for Vanilla extract. It is the alcohol in combination with the water that extracts the essential oils and flavors present in the Vanilla bean.
thesometimesaint Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 here are a few of those many things: orange juice, vanilla, cough syrup, apple cider...I'd be more worried about the calories than about the alcohol. All wine is fermented, only some add pure alcohol to stop the fermenting process, Generally it makes for a sweeter wine.
Calm Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 While Everclear can be used, a good Bourbon Whiskey, or single malt Scotch is better flavor for Vanilla extract. It is the alcohol in combination with the water that extracts the essential oils and flavors present in the Vanilla bean.It didn't turn out very good, I might just try it again though I have found some high quality stuff now so it would just be for fun.
mathonihah Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 No, according to the dictionary's of the time "strong drink" was defined as distilled liquor. Beer is brewed not distilled.But since the expression used, "wine or strong drink," is biblical (see examples previously given), it is more likely to have been used biblically rather than according to the dictionary definitions of the time. If "strong drink" means distilled liquor, why is wine included? What has that got to do with it? That confirms that the phrase is used biblically rather than according to the dictionary definitions of the time.
thesometimesaint Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 It didn't turn out very good, I might just try it again though I have found some high quality stuff now so it would just be for fun.I wouldn't use the highly aged stuff. It would just be a waste of money. Something around 2-5 years old would taste just as good used in Vanilla Extract and be a whole lot less expensive. Try using Tahitian Vanilla Beans for the more floral notes than Madagascar Vanilla Beans.
ERayR Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 For those that think beer is not strong drink just indulge yourself in a 6 pack. Now I wonder about the non-alcoholic (alcohol removed) brews.
Saints Alive Posted February 11, 2013 Author Posted February 11, 2013 For those that think beer is not strong drink just indulge yourself in a 6 pack. Now I wonder about the non-alcoholic (alcohol removed) brews.moderation is important. 2 aspirin will clear you headache, the whole bottle will send you to the hospital if it doesn't kill you.
rockpond Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 He has. “Wine or strong drinks” pretty much excludes any alcoholic drink that is of the same strength as wine or higher, which includes beer.Having been LDS my entire life, I don't know much about alcohol but in my understanding there are three basic types of alcoholic drinks:fermented (like wine)distilled (liquor, possibly "strong drinks")brewed (beer)To me, it seems like there is some logic in suggesting that the phrase "wine and strong drinks" refers only to wine and liquor.Fortunately for me, like the author of the blog post linked in the OP, I have absolutely zero desire to drink beer. So, this isn't a question I need to be overly worried about. 1
Stargazer Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 I think it does. "Strong drink" literally means anything that has alcohol in it. That makes it the forbidden ingredient.OK, I agree it is the "forbidden ingredient" -- gosh that sounds weird -- but 200 proof Everclear isn't strong drink because nobody, even someone completely crazy, is going to drink it. Well, maybe there are a few completely crazy people who might give it a shot, but that's the exception that proves the rule.Did I just admit to being nuts?
Stargazer Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 I use a mouth wash called Listerine Total Care. It has a high concentration of alcohol in it, and that is what it does to your mouth. It is hard to hold it in your mouth for more than a few seconds. I dilute it with water to make it more tolerable, although on the bottle it says you shouldn't. But my dentist said I could. It was recommended to me by my dentist because it doesn't stain your teeth, which most other mouth washes do. And it is a very good mouth wash. It does the job it is supposed to do. And I don't own any shares in the company!If alcohol makes it forbidden, you can't use it.No, according to the dictionary's of the time "strong drink" was defined as distilled liquor. Beer is brewed not distilled.Which would be why the WoW says "wine or strong drink" -- covering both those bases, but it still leaves beer as potentially OK! Yippee! 2
mathonihah Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Having been LDS my entire life, I don't know much about alcohol but in my understanding there are three basic types of alcoholic drinks:fermented (like wine)distilled (liquor, possibly "strong drinks")brewed (beer)To me, it seems like there is some logic in suggesting that the phrase "wine and strong drinks" refers only to wine and liquor.Fortunately for me, like the author of the blog post linked in the OP, I have absolutely zero desire to drink beer. So, this isn't a question I need to be overly worried about.Perhaps you missed my post #97. Have a look at that; then have a look at my posts #101 and #110; then tell me if you understand my reasoning, and if so why you disagree with it.
mathonihah Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 OK, I agree it is the "forbidden ingredient" -- gosh that sounds weird -- but 200 proof Everclear isn't strong drink because nobody, even someone completely crazy, is going to drink it.Well, maybe there are a few completely crazy people who might give it a shot, but that's the exception that proves the rule.Did I just admit to being nuts?I don't see the point you are trying to make though.
mathonihah Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) If alcohol makes it forbidden, you can't use it.Who says? It is drinking it that is forbidden, not rinsing your mouth with it. It says "strong drinks," not "strong mouth washes". Edited February 11, 2013 by mathonihah
ERayR Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 If alcohol makes it forbidden, you can't use it.Wrong you can use it you just can't drink it. 7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.Which would be why the WoW says "wine or strong drink" -- covering both those bases, but it still leaves beer as potentially OK! Yippee!Yo choose as you wish just choose wisely.OOPS gave you a rep point but meant to hit edit.
thesometimesaint Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Having been LDS my entire life, I don't know much about alcohol but in my understanding there are three basic types of alcoholic drinks:fermented (like wine)distilled (liquor, possibly "strong drinks")brewed (beer)To me, it seems like there is some logic in suggesting that the phrase "wine and strong drinks" refers only to wine and liquor.Fortunately for me, like the author of the blog post linked in the OP, I have absolutely zero desire to drink beer. So, this isn't a question I need to be overly worried about.Not really. All three start from either grains or fruits in a mash of some sort, where yeast is introduced(Yeast is naturally in the air. Though the airborne type usually are consider wild yeasts, and doesn't produce a high quality, consistent product). They produce Ethyl Alcohol)Beer is allowed to ferment from anywhere from a few hours to 72 hours. The liquid drained off, filtered, then cooled, and bottled.Wine is allowed to ferment from anywhere from 5 days to 14 days of primary fermentation and 5 days to 10 days secondary fermentation. Then allowed to age in metal tanks or wood casks from days to years depending on desired results.Distilled spirits are just beer, sometimes wine, that has been sent through a distillation column a number of times depending on proof desired.There is also wood(Methyl Alcohol) distillation. These should never be ingested. They are very poisonous and will cause death or blindness in even small quantities. They however can be used as a antiseptic for minor wounds and/or abrasions. 1
semlogo Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 I think that you need to explain that a bit more!A reduction by more than 50% is substantial, I think. That's all.
rockpond Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Not really. All three start from either grains or fruits in a mash of some sort, where yeast is introduced(Yeast is naturally in the air. Though the airborne type usually are consider wild yeasts, and doesn't produce a high quality, consistent product). They produce Ethyl Alcohol)Beer is allowed to ferment from anywhere from a few hours to 72 hours. The liquid drained off, filtered, then cooled, and bottled.Wine is allowed to ferment from anywhere from 5 days to 14 days of primary fermentation and 5 days to 10 days secondary fermentation. Then allowed to age in metal tanks or wood casks from days to years depending on desired results.Distilled spirits are just beer, sometimes wine, that has been sent through a distillation column a number of times depending on proof desired.There is also wood(Methyl Alcohol) distillation. These should never be ingested. They are very poisonous and will cause death or blindness in even small quantities. They however can be used as a antiseptic for minor wounds and/or abrasions.Thanks for the info, as I noted I'm fairly clueless about "adult beverages" in general. I see the similarities now.
thesometimesaint Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 OK, I agree it is the "forbidden ingredient" -- gosh that sounds weird -- but 200 proof Everclear isn't strong drink because nobody, even someone completely crazy, is going to drink it.Well, maybe there are a few completely crazy people who might give it a shot, but that's the exception that proves the rule.Did I just admit to being nuts?Normal distillation can not produce 100% alcohol. A molecular filter or Azeotrope must be used. Everclear while very strong 192 proof. 200 proof(100%) alcohol is not legal to own anywhere, outside of a chemistry lab, in the US. It takes a special license from the ATF to get it. It has absolutely no taste or color. So would be of limited value for ingestion, even if available. 1
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