Damien the Leper Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 I held him in my hand when he was newly born;Perfect and innocent, filling me with joy.I held his hand at his first steps,I watched him play and smile and talk.This boy that I have been given,Has been a gift and my joy,With a voice that touches the heavens,And hands that bring music.He is unique and he is gifted,And his smile lights up a room.But the greatest gift I see in him, Lord,Is that he reminds me of You.I see love in his eyes and hear trust in his voice,He cares more readily for others.I have taught him all Thou hast given me, Lord,And he has become a better man than I.I see the Image of Christ in my gay son, Lord,He is chaste and young and pure.But we need a new way to live today,To fill with joy and hope and love.He is Yours, Lord, and he is mine,So let us set his feetOn a path that leads him back to You,As Thou hast made him - perfect and complete. 1
Damien the Leper Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 I found this online. It was written by Tom Montgomery. He was a Prop 8 advocate in 2008 and is now an advocate for LGBT rights and dialogue. He is featured on the No More Strangers website. Obviously from the poem, he has a gay son.
Tacenda Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) Valentinus this is beautiful, did you write it and is your son gay? I think the test of being gay is not really their test as much as it might be for the heterosexuals that judge unrighteously and I believe that the bible has more condemnations for heterosexuals than it ever does for homosexuals.Oops! I see that you answered my question while I was typing! Thanks for sharing! Edited January 18, 2013 by Tacenda
EllenMaksoud Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 I found this online. It was written by Tom Montgomery. He was a Prop 8 advocate in 2008 and is now an advocate for LGBT rights and dialogue. He is featured on the No More Strangers website. Obviously from the poem, he has a gay son.I am absolutely certain that this issue is biological, including changes in brain structure. It's been known for some time that using medical diagnostic tools, a lesbian's brain structure has similarities to male brain structure and a gay man's brain has traits of a woman's brain. I'm deliberately not mentioning another group. However, if these folk engage in a heterosexual marriage, they do not have the right to suddenly abandon the children of the marriage, of that I am adamant. I think that in many ways, the LDS church is leading the way in truly understanding this. This is an extremely heated issue for me, so I will not participate in this thread further 1
Damien the Leper Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 Valentinus this is beautiful, did you write it and is your son gay? I think the test of being gay is not really their test as much as it might be for the heterosexuals that judge unrighteously and I believe that the bible has more condemnations for heterosexuals than it ever does for homosexuals.Oops! I see that you answered my question while I was typing! Thanks for sharing!No worries. I have no kids. I will some day. I'm optimistic of this. As an Evangelical Christian friend of mine once said, "I would rather a child be raised by same-sex parents than have to live in the system." 1
Calm Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 All of us are God's children and the closer we seek him out, the closer he will bring us to him and his image will shine stronger on and in our faces. 1
The Nehor Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Wait.......Christ is a sociopathic self-centered individual (i.e. a child)?
Saints Alive Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 I am absolutely certain that this issue is biological, including changes in brain structure. It's been known for some time that using medical diagnostic tools, a lesbian's brain structure has similarities to male brain structure and a gay man's brain has traits of a woman's brain. I'm deliberately not mentioning another group. However, if these folk engage in a heterosexual marriage, they do not have the right to suddenly abandon the children of the marriage, of that I am adamant. I think that in many ways, the LDS church is leading the way in truly understanding this. This is an extremely heated issue for me, so I will not participate in this thread further Brain structure is an interesting thing, a newborns brain is relatively undeveloped so to speak. Think blank hard drive.
EllenMaksoud Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Brain structure is an interesting thing, a newborns brain is relatively undeveloped so to speak. Think blank hard drive.Well, not exactly. There is a lot of um Partitioning that happens before we are born. This male/female thing is supposed to happen toward the end of the first trimester, but sometimes that gets messed up, depending on things like the hormone balance in the mom, whether she drinks or not, whether she smokes or not, how many poisonous cosmetics she uses, how much she does her nails, her exposure to industrial chemicals in her employment. I have personal experience with industrial solvents and chemicals in a big manufacturing plant, and what they used 20 years ago and now don't. We are deluged with enviromental chemicals. The plastic in our food containers leaches a substance that mimics Estrogen.People want to simplify things and make some of these things a moral decision when it is not and never will be. Too many want black and white decisions, either, or judgements and I'm sorry to say that it just does not work like that. 1
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 I found this online. It was written by Tom Montgomery. He was a Prop 8 advocate in 2008 and is now an advocate for LGBT rights and dialogue. He is featured on the No More Strangers website. Obviously from the poem, he has a gay son.Of course he loves his child...I have written poems for all my children, including my gay daughter, why would I love her less? But my love for her will not change what I believe to be the "will of God". Thanks for the poem.
Damien the Leper Posted January 19, 2013 Author Posted January 19, 2013 Of course he loves his child...I have written poems for all my children, including my gay daughter, why would I love her less? But my love for her will not change what I believe to be the "will of God". Thanks for the poem.That's awesome, Pa Pa. Parents obviously tend to differ on this area. I understand why and can be sympathetic to those who hold the same perspective as you do.
volgadon Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 As a parent your job is to love him and support him to being satisfied with who he is. If you want to change him from not being gayyour not being a parent. If god or christ wanted anyone to change the ways, you'd think god would be unforgivin'.On a more serious note, what you describe is only part of being a parent. A parent needs to teach and help their children to choose the right and be the best they can be. Sort of a divine pattern...
Calm Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 If god or christ wanted anyone to change the ways, you'd think god would be unforgivin'.Forgiveness allows us to change. I think God would be more unforgiving if he didn't want people to change than if he did.
volgadon Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Forgiveness allows us to change. I think God would be more unforgiving if he didn't want people to change than if he did.Amen.
volgadon Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Now can you picture monson, or hinkley, supposely getting a prayer answered by god?Of course I can.You oughta be in kindergarten.You ought to do a better job of pretending to be a recent convert when you troll.
volgadon Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 It has nothing to do with being a liberal either,Precisely, has nothing to do with it, as I happen to be a socialist.its called, "just think"...Have you tried it? How is it working out for you?Not everyone has to create offspring. It's the guys mother who is ashamed, and I think maybe counseling could help her out, and she should just let her son be, only if she truly loves him. Momma shouldn't always build a wall for her child. If you like yourself, and no what you want in life as far as a job, school, a business, or any valid goal then how is that not ok for him?A parent doesn't have to approve every decision of their child in order to love them.
Damien the Leper Posted January 23, 2013 Author Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Precisely, has nothing to do with it, as I happen to be a socialist.Joseph Smith Translation: A proud and God inspired Communist in training. A man who will surpass even the highest level of the celestial kingdom. A god above all other gods. Edited January 23, 2013 by Valentinus
Calm Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 You mormons and your brainwashed box. Are you currently LDS? Because most people don't refer to a group they belong to as "you 'fill in the blank'".
Calm Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Think about it, If god created you, and the universe and everything else, all matter, biolife and I mean everything. Man is eternal according to LDS belief.
Damien the Leper Posted January 23, 2013 Author Posted January 23, 2013 Are you currently LDS? Because most people don't refer to a group they belong to as "you 'fill in the blank'".Nice way to sidestep the brainwashed box comment!...............................and I would have done the same. No need to get dirty over that.
Damien the Leper Posted January 23, 2013 Author Posted January 23, 2013 Absolutely no disrespect approdis, but I can't understand what you're pounding out on your keyboard. You make Pa Pa (another board poster) look like an upper level English professor at Harvard University (and...no disrespect Pa Pa. I do love ya).
volgadon Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Absolutely no disrespect approdis, but I can't understand what you're pounding out on your keyboard. You make Pa Pa (another board poster) look like an upper level English professor at Harvard University (and...no disrespect Pa Pa. I do love ya).Pa Pa also writes moving verse. 2
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Pa Pa also writes moving verse.Such as...The righteous say, "we rise again".The godless say, "this is the end". The foolish say, "I do not know"?The dying say, "Just let me go!"Sometimes within a month, I am all four, the "righteous" , the "godless", the "foolish" and the "dying". Edited January 25, 2013 by Bill “Papa” Lee
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 (edited) Absolutely no disrespect approdis, but I can't understand what you're pounding out on your keyboard. You make Pa Pa (another board poster) look like an upper level English professor at Harvard University (and...no disrespect Pa Pa. I do love ya).I know you mean no harm, but it just reminds me of my weakness and how I embarrass the posters here. Edited January 24, 2013 by Bill “Papa” Lee
volgadon Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I know you mean no harm, but it just reminds me of my weakness and how I embarrass the posters here.None are embarrassed! If anything, I'm only embarrassed that my attempts at verse don't turn out at all.
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