rongo Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 I would like to see Sunday School run a little slower. I mean we race through the scriptures every year. Why can’t we really read the Book Of Mormon together, take two years and really discuss it. How many Mormons really know the Bible, we know the stories but not the real Bible.Because the same people who do no reading and no lesson prep aren't going to do any more if they have two years instead of only one.
Ahab Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Because then people are thinking too much about what it tastes like and if it's satisfying and not enough about what it means.If that's a vote against having punch and cookies as emblems of the sacrament, we could still have punch and cookies either before or after the sacrament. Just have some deacons stay up there on the stand after they pass around the sacrament and then during a talk start passing around some punch and cookies. Don't you think that would make sacrament meeting a more enjoyable experience? Punch and cookies always brighten my day when I can get them.I disagree that emblems of the sacrament have to be as basic as bread and water, but we could still have punch and cookies some other time in our meetings. Ahh, I can imagine it now. Fruit punch and homemade sugar cookies, or maybe oatmeal. We could even change the flavor of the punch and the kinds of cookies every Sabbath so we could have a variety.
bluebell Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 If that's a vote against having punch and cookies as emblems of the sacrament, we could still have punch and cookies either before or after the sacrament. Just have some deacons stay up there on the stand after they pass around the sacrament and then during a talk start passing around some punch and cookies. Don't you think that would make sacrament meeting a more enjoyable experience? Punch and cookies always brighten my day when I can get them.I disagree that emblems of the sacrament have to be as basic as bread and water, but we could still have punch and cookies some other time in our meetings.Ahh, I can imagine it now. Fruit punch and homemade sugar cookies, or maybe oatmeal. We could even change the flavor of the punch and the kinds of cookies every Sabbath so we could have a variety.If you volunteer to provide the punch and cookies every week, and clean up afterwards (having seen what a few baggies of cheerios can do, i can only imagine punch and cookies in the hands of every child in sacrament meeting!), you might be able to get everyone on board. 1
Ahab Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 I would like to see Sunday School run a little slower. I mean we race through the scriptures every year. Why can’t we really read the Book Of Mormon together, take two years and really discuss it. How many Mormons really know the Bible, we know the stories but not the real Bible.That's what FHE is for, or you could study more during the week. That way you can take as much time as you want!It would be nice to be able to bring up more texts, though, like maybe any discourse from any general authority with the keys.Maybe that way we'd have less people saying "that's not official doctrine" just because it wasn't brought up in Sunday School.
Ahab Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 They did that when they started inner city wards in Atlanta. I don't think it worked out very well.Then have the buses double as ice cream trucks too, with the appropriate music as the buses go down the street, slowly.That way we could at least bring more kids to our chapel meetings. We could even afford to give away the ice cream for free!
rongo Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 If you volunteer to provide the punch and cookies every week, and clean up afterwards (having seen what a few baggies of cheerios can do, i can only imagine punch and cookies in the hands of every child in sacrament meeting!), you might be able to get everyone on board. A bishop I was a counselor to told us that he had put 7-Up into every 5th cup once when he was a priest. It was fun to watch and see who got the lucky cups . . . I was tempted (but didn't, of course) to use 7-Up in *all* of the cups on the Sunday my counselors and I were released as the bishopric. It would detract from the ordinance to make it a circus like that, but it is fun to imagine graphically illustrating that "it mattereth not" what is used with an object lesson (put your money where your mouth is, so to say). 1
Ahab Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 If you volunteer to provide the punch and cookies every week, and clean up afterwards (having seen what a few baggies of cheerios can do, i can only imagine punch and cookies in the hands of every child in sacrament meeting!), you might be able to get everyone on board. I'm open to the idea of volunteering, but I don't think I'd have to be the only volunteer to do it.Just ask the appropriate people to give me the okay and I'd bring the first batch this next Sunday!
seriously honestly Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 When you transferred to a singles' ward you entered your name in a ballot, every other week your name, along with the name of someone from the opposite sex, are picked out of a hat. Haha! in some way, I though this was going to be Hunger Games related 1
Ahab Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Haha! in some way, I though this was going to be Hunger Games related That's a good idea. How about paint ball hunts in the chapel parking lot after... well, on some day other than on Sunday.We'd probably want to bring in some obstacles, to make it more challenging. And we should also provide punch and cookies!
Saints Alive Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Since we're talking about changing the sacrament elements why not start using wine again? or grape juice if that is too radical for you.
rongo Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 Since we're talking about changing the sacrament elements why not start using wine again?Word of Wisdom.or grape juice if that is too radical for you.Consider the practical logistics of this. Not just the cost (tap water vs. purchased juice), but the mess. It's easy to fill the cup tray using a running faucet. Grape juice would inevitably get spilled in the preparation, to say nothing of the passing.
Saints Alive Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Word of Wisdom.Consider the practical logistics of this. Not just the cost (tap water vs. purchased juice), but the mess. It's easy to fill the cup tray using a running faucet. Grape juice would inevitably get spilled in the preparation, to say nothing of the passing. the word of wisdom explicitly allows for the use of wine for the sacrament. Every other church uses wine or grape juice and many use individual cups like ours, they manage to fill them without much fuss I'm sure we could too. The price would be negligible, grape juice is no more than $3 or $4 a bottle and one bottle would last most ward 2 or three Sundays. Edited November 21, 2012 by Saints Alive
Bikeemikey Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 I can honestly say that serving in the primary has been one of the most spiritually rewarding experiences I have had in my life. I am moved to tears (not out of frustration ) most Sundays from the overwhelming outpouring of the spirit. Perhaps my experience is unique or perhaps our ward simply has uncommon leaders and children, but my time has been very fulfilling and educational. If there is one organization in the Church that adequately meets the needs of its constituents I believe it is the primary. Having said that, I agree that allowing the leaders to participate with other adults in the Church at some level is probably a good idea.-guerreiro9Unfortunately the constituents in the gospel are both the kids in primary and the adults. I personally have issues with the lack of appreciation priesthood leaders have for the challenge if running the primary program and tend to forget about it... That is only in the wards I have been in.
Bikeemikey Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) I was thinking two and a half hour church; cut 5 minutes from Sacrament meeting, 15 from Sunday School and 10 from Priesthood/RS. I could get behind 2 hour church, but shorten SS and lengthen Sacrament meeting.I find that one badly prepared talk is normally as good as two. I say keep it longer for fasting testimony meetings and have no class at all. Edited November 21, 2012 by Bikeemikey
Erin15 Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 The women can always do that job better but the CHI says it must be a MP holder.No, an individual can do the job better. Being born a woman or a man does not make you inherantly better or worse at fulfilling a calling. it is a matter of agency and individual identity. 1
Nathair/|\ Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 Those of you who want church to be shorter might enjoy this by humor columnist Robert Kirby.http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/55150412-80/church-hours-god-kirby.html.csp
Duncan Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 Single brethren who do their home teaching and do their duties get attractive visiting teachers as well as the normal home teachers (or just have the visiting teachers!)I have thought about that, in YSA having the girls visit the guys and vice versa, except you would get a lot of " I don't want them coming over to my place"
Calm Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 I wish they'd require proper usage of antonyms.You've lost me on this one....
Calm Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) If you volunteer to provide the punch and cookies every week, and clean up afterwards (having seen what a few baggies of cheerios can do, i can only imagine punch and cookies in the hands of every child in sacrament meeting!), you might be able to get everyone on board. Maybe cutting Sacrament Meeting a bit short and serving a snack while learning a new song or maybe someone reads some of the scripture passages for the following lesson for those who can't be bothered at home. Maybe play a few minutes of a recent church video. I think if anyone has kids, as soon as the kids see the food, all attention of them and their parents will be focused on that. It will not be like attending a dinner talk with only adults. Edited November 22, 2012 by calmoriah
Freedom Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 Here is a non major doctrinal change I would like to see: time travel. Control over space/time. Current doctrine requires us to be linear which is very time consuming. 1
Calm Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 the word of wisdom explicitly allows for the use of wine for the sacrament.Every other church uses wine or grape juice and many use individual cups like ours, they manage to fill them without much fuss I'm sure we could too.Do they have teenagers filling them up?
volgadon Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 You've lost me on this one....Non major doctrinal changes vs. minor doctrinal changes. 1
canard78 Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 Non major doctrinal changes vs. minor doctrinal changes.(Waving hand excitedly in the air) I got it, I got it! I thought it was very funny. 2
Widow's Son Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 Even though my kids are older now I would very much like to see a policy change wherein younger siblings can attend the marriage sealings of their older siblings. Kids of all ages are allowed into the sealings of their own families, why punish great kids from important family events just because they were born in the covenant?
canard78 Posted November 22, 2012 Posted November 22, 2012 That's what FHE is for, or you could study more during the week. That way you can take as much time as you want!It would be nice to be able to bring up more texts, though, like maybe any discourse from any general authority with the keys.Maybe that way we'd have less people saying "that's not official doctrine" just because it wasn't brought up in Sunday School.Uuuuh, I know that this is supposed to be a 'happy holidays' bit of fun... But, the irony of what you're saying is that many the church published discourses CAN be used in Sunday School (e.g. General conference talks), but that still doesn't make them doctrine. While SS doesn't define official doctrine, neither do GAs with keys. Otherwise we'd be teaching Adam-God and babies on thrones (king follet). Doctrine is only found in a few limited places (the standard works and possibly the as-yet uncanonised Family proclamation).http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/approaching-mormon-doctrineNot every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith. Isolated statements are often taken out of context, leaving their original meaning distorted.The other irony is that a statement published on the LDS newsroom isn't doctrine either, so the statement theoretically invalidates itself. I'm enjoying the thread though so... Let's be rid of any organist who plays at half-speed. I like to sing hymns of joy not dirges so it's time to follow the suggested pace!And FWIW Ahab, I'm with you, let's ban teaching ONLY from the lesson manual. Flat-line city! 2
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