volgadon Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Who knows- if there was never a Vatican II I might have majored in accounting or something useful and still have been Catholic.You might have been a Neo-Thomist... (Ducks and runs)
mfbukowski Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 You might have been a Neo-Thomist... (Ducks and runs)I think a plumber is more likely. Then I would have a lot more money than I do.
MiserereNobis Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 As a kid, I served (for the Mormons- that means I was a Catholic "altar boy" who assisted the priest move things around etc during Mass) Mass every Sunday and several daily masses every week, completely in Latin, the pre-Vatican II Priest-with-his-back-to-the-people High and Low Mass, the choir chanted in Gregorian chant and I must admit it was pretty cool!A solemn high Mass is quite the aesthetic experience. I love it!But then everything changed and all that I loved went away. And then I started wondering about the theology of it all- as a kid I did not understand much of that, but the questions remained, and here I am today. Who knows- if there was never a Vatican II I might have majored in accounting or something useful and still have been Catholic.You might not know it, but there are SO many people with this exact story. Vatican II emptied the churches. The Church is slowly coming to realize that and is slowly returning things back to how they used to be. Slowly is the key word. The Church moves slo-o-o-o-o-wly.But no! Vatican II actually got me thinking.That just shows what a dangerous thing it was! Ha!
Buckeye Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Hey Mike,I apologize for not commenting sooner. I've been away for awhile. Congrats on the book. Its been on my "to-read" list since I learned of it. Mods - thanks for pinning this thread.- Buckeye
mfbukowski Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 You might not know it, but there are SO many people with this exact story. Vatican II emptied the churches. The Church is slowly coming to realize that and is slowly returning things back to how they used to be. Slowly is the key word. The Church moves slo-o-o-o-o-wly.But I am a grandfather now."Going back" is going to be all brand new for everyone younger than me, which is most of the universe! All that they once knew will also be gone.
blackstrap Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 Throughout history there have been thousands if not millions of people crucified.It is a horrible way to die. But it is not unique. Christ was unique in that He suffered for our sins,starting in the Garden and ending on the cross. He was unique in that He overcame death and began the resurrection. Had He been beheaded with an axe,what would be the symbol? Had He been drawn and quartered,what would be the symbol? To me,a good symbol is the empty tomb.To me,the cross is a representation of Man's inhumanity to Man and his Creator.It does not give me hope in Eternal Life. But that's just me.
Storm Rider Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 Throughout history there have been thousands if not millions of people crucified.It is a horrible way to die. But it is not unique. Christ was unique in that He suffered for our sins,starting in the Garden and ending on the cross. He was unique in that He overcame death and began the resurrection. Had He been beheaded with an axe,what would be the symbol? Had He been drawn and quartered,what would be the symbol? To me,a good symbol is the empty tomb.To me,the cross is a representation of Man's inhumanity to Man and his Creator.It does not give me hope in Eternal Life. But that's just me.I think as LDS we have grown up in a culture where the cross, only as a symbol, does not as much meaning as for the vast majority of Christianity. Regardless, I understand for many of our brothers and sisters the cross as a symbol holds as much meaning as my own feelings for the Savior. I see little real value in trying to answer why LDS don't use the symbol of the cross to the degree other Christians do. My belief in the Savior is not demeaned or lessened by my lack of wearing a cross or any other symbol of my faith. When I see my Catholic brothers and sisters wearing a cross or crucifix I do not think it demeans or lessens their same belief in the Savior.I personally don't like to wear outward symbols of any kind. It is a personal choice that I have made for myself. If my actions cannot convince others of my belief in Jesus Christ surely wearing a cross would not convince them any more powerfully.The cross itself does hold a great deal of meaning for me. I hold its meaning in my heart and I rejoice every day that for me, a sinner, he was crucified.
AddamS Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 Do you want me to record the audio version? I do a mean James Earl Jones.
AddamS Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 With or without the Darth Vader mask?Whichever you prefer
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