TruthSeeker24 Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Do you believe that blood and race play any factors in the gospel? I've just been wondering why God chose to have so many different races, and what the purpose of it is. This is in no way meant to be a racist topic.
changed Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 ...I've just been wondering why God chose to have so many different races, ....You think it's odd that He did not make us all exact carbon-copy duplicates of one another? Men churn out replicated factory produced identical parts... God creates unique masterpieces of art - every snowflake, every leaf, every tree, every person... 2
TruthSeeker24 Posted September 25, 2012 Author Posted September 25, 2012 You think it's odd that He did not make us all exact carbon-copy duplicates of one another? Men churn out replicated factory produced identical parts... God creates unique masterpieces of art - every snowflake, every leaf, every tree, every person...Naturally, there's a huge difference between a carbon copy duplicate and people of an entirely different race. 1
CV75 Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Do you believe that blood and race play any factors in the gospel? I've just been wondering why God chose to have so many different races, and what the purpose of it is. This is in no way meant to be a racist topic.Only in that Jesus' blood atoned for all people everywhere, and that He was Jewish (at least on His mother's side; Father's side indeterminate--and this is only for those that insist that there is not just one human race, since race is just a man-made construct anyway), which played into the events necessary for His mortal mission.I believe we pretty much chose, in agreement with God, what we happen to look like in mortality.
Tacenda Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Do you believe that blood and race play any factors in the gospel? I've just been wondering why God chose to have so many different races, and what the purpose of it is. This is in no way meant to be a racist topic.please... 1
Tacenda Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 You think it's odd that He did not make us all exact carbon-copy duplicates of one another? Men churn out replicated factory produced identical parts... God creates unique masterpieces of art - every snowflake, every leaf, every tree, every person...Thumbs up! 1
KevinG Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Race is an artificial construct outside of "human race". I think the distinction God makes is between those who covenant with Him and those who have not. These lines have followed tribes and lineages throughout history but in our contemporary world where instant travel and communication is available and tribes mix all the time the distinction is more individual and less tribal than it has ever been. 4
TruthSeeker24 Posted September 25, 2012 Author Posted September 25, 2012 Race is an artificial construct outside of "human race". I think the distinction God makes is between those who covenant with Him and those who have not. These lines have followed tribes and lineages throughout history but in our contemporary world where instant travel and communication is available and tribes mix all the time the distinction is more individual and less tribal than it has ever been.Good point
thesometimesaint Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 For some reason God seems to like all different types of colors.
TruthSeeker24 Posted September 25, 2012 Author Posted September 25, 2012 Well, I would in no way ever make the assumption that God didn't approve of, or like a specific race. I guess my question was more along the lines of privileges and blessings.
KevinG Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 For some reason God seems to like all different types of colors.He seems to be partial to Asians if population is any indication. 2
RobertAC Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Do you believe that blood and race play any factors in the gospel? I've just been wondering why God chose to have so many different races, and what the purpose of it is. This is in no way meant to be a racist topic.Don't know about the gospels, but I imagine that a biological reason is to allow humans to adapt to their environments. I suspect that if the polar ice caps melt, we will all be developing gills and fins pretty darn soon.
KevinG Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Well, I would in no way ever make the assumption that God didn't approve of, or like a specific race. I guess my question was more along the lines of privileges and blessings.Playing out my comments above to the point of there are times in history where a lineage or tribe was separated from the covenant. I think the separation of blacks based on the lineage of Cain was a holdover from the apostasy and a false notion. It is my opinion that it was the Saints who had to prepare to integrate fully not the blacks of the world. Other examples that were more legitimate are those tribes who rebelled against God or rejected the covenants and lost their place among the covenant people. In the Old testament tribes and family groups were more synonymous and therefore covenant peoples were more closely identified with tribes or family groups.If we have any modern day version of this it would be the large segment of Arabs who are Muslim or the large segment of Asians who are Buddhist or Hindu. But even there it breaks down considerably with the mixing of cultures, religions and families. I can't help but think in the long run this is a good thing as old prejudices are separated from religions and more people are free to believe according to the dictates of their own conscience.This is of course my speculation and not very scientific or scholarly. Edited September 25, 2012 by KevinG 1
RobertAC Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Nice emoticon, KevinG! seems to happen a lot around here.
thesometimesaint Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 We have to leave that up to God. Scriptures are replete with examples of where the Priesthood has been given to some, removed from others, some told to wait. I don't know why. Maybe it was a test of faith. Both for those that don't have it, and those that do. We are assured however that lack of Priesthood through no fault of our own will not last beyond the veil.
DavidB Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Dup Edited September 25, 2012 by DavidB
Walden Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Do you believe that blood and race play any factors in the gospel? I've just been wondering why God chose to have so many different races, and what the purpose of it is. This is in no way meant to be a racist topic.In the past, church leaders (Young, McConkie, Kimball, etc.) have linked race to righteousness, teaching that those who are black are descended from people who were either smitten by god with a dark mark upon their skin for their unrighteousness, were fence sitters in the pre-existence, etc.There is a reason that blacks were banned from receiving the priesthood until 1978.
Nathair/|\ Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 I'd have a hard time sitting next to an Orc in the temple, but if he had a recommend, I'd learn to accept it. 4
DavidB Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Did God discriminate based on race/skin colour...Yes. Why? "It is not known precisely why, how or when this restriction began in the Church, but it has ended. ... The origins of priesthood availability are not entirely clear. Some explanations with respect to this matter were made in the absence of direct revelation and references to these explanations are sometimes cited in publications. These previous personal statements do not represent Church doctrine.Does God discrimante based on genetics (gender) ...Yes. Why? There is no Official Church response. Individual members speculate but their speculation is gross disrespect towards the children of God.
Pahoran Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 In the past, church leaders (Young, McConkie, Kimball, etc.) have linked race to righteousness, teaching that those who are black are descended from people who were either smitten by god with a dark mark upon their skin for their unrighteousness, were fence sitters in the pre-existence, etc.CFR for the highlighted portion, please. To my knowledge it is a notorious canard, absolutely never offered in good faith and only ever dragged out for race-baiting purposes; but perhaps you know something I don't.There is a reason that blacks were banned from receiving the priesthood until 1978.Yes, but it hasn't been revealed yet.Truthseeker, take note: whenever the word "race" gets mentioned in any context at all, the race-baiters react with an absolutely predictable pavlovian response.Regards,Pahoran
RobertAC Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 In the past, church leaders (Young, McConkie, Kimball, etc.) have linked race to righteousness, teaching that those who are black are descended from people who were either smitten by god with a dark mark upon their skin for their unrighteousness, were fence sitters in the pre-existence, etc.There is a reason that blacks were banned from receiving the priesthood until 1978.While I understand that the ban on the priesthood was implemented, and ultimately set aside, based upon prophecy, historical events at the same point in time would lead one to conclude that that the general beliefs of the country at the time had a lot to do with the ban. During the ban, the country generally believed in "separate but equal." There was a corresponding belief among white people that certain races and ethnicities were not fully human. While we look back and are horrified at the belief, it was nonetheless commonplace. When the ban was ultimately lifted, an important change had taken place in the common understanding in this country as to race and its relevance.
DavidB Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 CFR for the highlighted portion, please. To my knowledge it is a notorious canard, absolutely never offered in good faith and only ever dragged out for race-baiting purposes; but perhaps you know something I don't.Yes, but it hasn't been revealed yet.Truthseeker, take note: whenever the word "race" gets mentioned in any context at all, the race-baiters react with an absolutely predictable pavlovian response.Regards,PahoranMy goodness. A issue of common knowledge needs a CFR? I wager you hardly need a CFR. Perhaps some new to the Gospel and new to attempting to defending the Church, but hardly a matter that needs substantiation to a season member and published defender.
cinepro Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) While I understand that the ban on the priesthood was implemented, and ultimately set aside, based upon prophecy, historical events at the same point in time would lead one to conclude that that the general beliefs of the country at the time had a lot to do with the ban.CFR for the highlighted portion please. Edited September 25, 2012 by cinepro 1
Freedom Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Family lines and patriarchal orders play a role in the gospel, as a result race can play a role since a patriarchal order will befrom the same race. i think the relationship, however, has nothing to do with race but with covenants. Those taking the covenants just happen to be of a particular race. The fact that Joseph Smith was in New York is not an indication that Maine was wicked or unworthy. We need to separate race from culture. There are cultural groups in North America that are much more impoverished than others. This has nothing to do with their race and everything to do with their environment. I take great issue with images of Adam and Eve being portrayed as two blond haired blue eyed teenage beauty pageant contestants. If I were to make a list of all the possible races in order of which one Adam and Eve most likely belonged to, Caucasian would not be included.
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