Boy Do We Need Common Sense, Please

[Bob Oliverio]

Why do we as a Church do dumb things at the wrong time?  

With everything this nation has on the line, and the need to support an incredible candidate who is up against the most biased odds of our national media, why does the Church keep doing the most stupid thing by highlighting the very core issue we need to avoid. Sometime I wonder if any of our leaders ever step back, exercise an ounce of common sense and just THINK before they react!!!

This exposure at the worst time is senseless and just goes to show our own ignorance and stupidity in common sense!!!

Way too much focus on something that should have been a non issue.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-22/news/sns-rt-us-usa-mormon-disciplinebre88m012-20120922_1_mormon-church-church-spokesman-excommunication

[volgadon]

Why do we as a Church do dumb things at the wrong time?

With everything this nation has on the line, and the need to support an incredible candidate who is up against the most biased odds of our national media, why does the Church keep doing the most stupid thing by highlighting the very core issue we need to avoid. Sometime I wonder if any of our leaders ever step back, exercise an ounce of common sense and just THINK before they react!!!

This exposure at the worst time is senseless and just goes to show our own ignorance and stupidity in common sense!!!

Way too much focus on something that should have been a non issue.

http://articles.chic...excommunication

I appreciate your sense of inclusiveness, but do you mind keeping the rest of us out of your world-cosntructs?

[bluebell]

I'm not sure what the issue is. The church is just doing what it's always been doing, right? I wouldn't want the church to start making decisions based on whether or not someone could spin it in a negative direction.

[Kenngo1969]

Oh, man! Bob, if only you were in charge of such decisions, alas!

"Yeah, Bishop Smith? This is Brother Oliverio from Church Public Affairs. I understand you had a Church Court of Love scheduled for tonight at 7 p.m. Is that right? Yeah, we're going to need you to hold off on that for awhile, Bishop Smith. Yeah, well ... It's the optics of the whole thing, Bishop. Well, it just looks bad, you know? Yeah. Right. Right. We'll let you know if and when you've got the green light to go ahead with it."

[volgadon]

Ha, posts #2-4 have a triad of rep points each.

[Blah]

With everything this nation has on the line, and the need to support an incredible candidate who is up against the most biased odds of our national media, why does the Church keep doing the most stupid thing by highlighting the very core issue we need to avoid. Sometime I wonder if any of our leaders ever step back, exercise an ounce of common sense and just THINK before they react!!!

This is the part that bothers me most, the suggestion that the Church needs to suspend its normal operations specifically to make a political candidate look better. An utterly ridiculous idea.

[Bikeemikey]

Why do we as a Church do dumb things at the wrong time?

With everything this nation has on the line, and the need to support an incredible candidate who is up against the most biased odds of our national media, why does the Church keep doing the most stupid thing by highlighting the very core issue we need to avoid. Sometime I wonder if any of our leaders ever step back, exercise an ounce of common sense and just THINK before they react!!!

This exposure at the worst time is senseless and just goes to show our own ignorance and stupidity in common sense!!!

Way too much focus on something that should have been a non issue.

http://articles.chic...excommunication

To treat this discipline process different than any other based on the calculation of attempting to make it easier for a political nominee for president would be a violation of the churches promise of non-partisan engagement in politics... something that I personally think is important.

Just wait a month or two and the opposite story would have been just as big... "LDS church delays normal procedure to advantage Mormon candiate".

Also, you suggestion that the Church should attempt to advantage Mitt Romney is offensive... please do not suggest that my religious faith be coopted for any ones political advantage.

[volgadon]

Ha, posts #2-4 have a triad of rep points each.

Someone spoiled the harmony.

[The Nehor]

Why do we as a Church do dumb things at the wrong time?  

With everything this nation has on the line, and the need to support an incredible candidate who is up against the most biased odds of our national media, why does the Church keep doing the most stupid thing by highlighting the very core issue we need to avoid. Sometime I wonder if any of our leaders ever step back, exercise an ounce of common sense and just THINK before they react!!!

This exposure at the worst time is senseless and just goes to show our own ignorance and stupidity in common sense!!!

Way too much focus on something that should have been a non issue.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-09-22/news/sns-rt-us-usa-mormon-disciplinebre88m012-20120922_1_mormon-church-church-spokesman-excommunication

You do know the Church is not supporting Romney right? This is the week they read the political neutrality letter in my ward at least.

[The Nehor]

Someone spoiled the harmony.

Fixed at 4 each.

[volgadon]

You do know the Church is not supporting Romney right? This is the week they read the political neutrality letter in my ward at least.

Wasn't there a "wink, wink," when they read the letter?

[Bob Oliverio]

I think you have missed my point.  

I've never heard of this Twede fella.  I've never heard of his website.  Just like this place, no one in America probably knows it exists. I doubt anyone would/could care less about what this nobody was saying about Romney or the Church.  No one cares or even listens to this guy.  HE AND HIS SIGHT ARE INSIGNIFICANT TO EVERYONE.

But now, because of the zealous acts of of few righteous members of the our Church, he becomes a national media attention and so does an unfair character image become on the Church and a great candidate for our future.  We got articles all over the web showing how fellow brothers like some  idiot Gordon at some other obscure website wants to be so diligent to expose this guy to Church authorities.  For what??  Have we not seen from history that this only brings negative media attention when you have a guy with an ax to grind publicly?  This Twede fella would have remained a non-event if the Church authorities would have exercised an ounce of common sense and just deferred any action for a few months.  Now we just got more negative image for damage control that hurts a super leader and great candidate at a time when he's unfairly fighting against so much media biased odds.

Yes, common sense could have prevented this whole situation in the media.  For those who can't see this - you clearly have no idea what's at stake this November.

[volgadon]

HE AND HIS SIGHT ARE INSIGNIFICANT TO EVERYONE.

Would you rather he were blind?

[volgadon]

Yes, common sense could have prevented this whole situation in the media. For those who can't see this - you clearly have no idea what's at stake this November.

That one of the two candidates for whom I wouldn't give a tinker's dam will lose to the other?

[The Nehor]

I think you have missed my point.  

I've never heard of this Twede fella.  I've never heard of his website.  Just like this place, no one in America probably knows it exists. I doubt anyone would/could care less about what this nobody was saying about Romney or the Church.  No one cares or even listens to this guy.  HE AND HIS SIGHT ARE INSIGNIFICANT TO EVERYONE.

But now, because of the zealous acts of of few righteous members of the our Church, he becomes a national media attention and so does an unfair character image become on the Church and a great candidate for our future.  We got articles all over the web showing how fellow brothers like some  idiot Gordon at some other obscure website wants to be so diligent to expose this guy to Church authorities.  For what??  Have we not seen from history that this only brings negative media attention when you have a guy with an ax to grind publicly?  This Twede fella would have remained a non-event if the Church authorities would have exercised an ounce of common sense and just deferred any action for a few months.  Now we just got more negative image for damage control that hurts a super leader and great candidate at a time when he's unfairly fighting against so much media biased odds.

Yes, common sense could have prevented this whole situation in the media.  For those who can't see this - you clearly have no idea what's at stake this November.

I know what is at stake. The Presidency, some national and state seats in legislatures, and some local officials. Some healthcare decisions are being debated, some tax laws considered, and plans to deal with recession.

Unless of course you get the story from talk radio in which case the survival of the constitution, democracy itself, and our families are all at risk. If we do not act we will all be swept away in a tide of socialism. The results: human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria, and this will be our future: http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-help-us-destroy-jesus-and-start-a-new-age-of,29478/

I am just frustrated by the Seers in charge of this church. Everything is on the line and they like cowards declare neutrality when all we hold dear is about to be destroyed and Satan will soon usher in a new age of liberal darkness. Either that or Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh are blowing this all out of proportion. Which do you think is more likely?

[volgadon]

Which do you think is more likely?

Whatever makes for a smashing film.

[blackstrap]

Wasn't there a "wink, wink," when they read the letter?

No, but there was a " nudge,nudge " and a " say no more,say no more "

[MormonMason]

Why do we as a Church do dumb things at the wrong time?

With everything this nation has on the line, and the need to support an incredible candidate who is up against the most biased odds of our national media, why does the Church keep doing the most stupid thing by highlighting the very core issue we need to avoid. Sometime I wonder if any of our leaders ever step back, exercise an ounce of common sense and just THINK before they react!!!

This exposure at the worst time is senseless and just goes to show our own ignorance and stupidity in common sense!!!

Way too much focus on something that should have been a non issue.

http://articles.chic...excommunication

On the contrary--it is perfect timing. We are on the Lord's timetable, not our own and certainly not that of the political winds of this country.

On the other hand, why would one do something stupid like post anti-Mormon information on a personal website, actively support such an agenda, and be a wolf in sheep's clothing? Yes, sometimes we who are members of the Church do stupid things at the wrong times. But, in this case, I think you have the blame for stupidity misplaced.

Edited September 24, 2012 by MormonMason

[Kenngo1969]

I think you have missed my point. ...

There's nothing in my previous post that should have led you to beieve I didn't get your point, Brother Bob. I simply don't agree with it, and that, to be perfectly blunt, is the real problem, isn't it? Thanks fer playin'!

Edited September 24, 2012 by Kenngo1969

[MormonMason]

That one of the two candidates for whom I wouldn't give a tinker's dam will lose to the other?

At the risk of getting too political and possibly getting this thread shut down, I have to remark that at least one of them really does care about Israel. The other pretends to care for Israel and insists on cutting all the borders back to pre-1967 conditions, as well as giving Jerusalem away. In order to prevent being directly political, I will only say what I have without naming names. We all can figure out who stands for what and what that might potentially mean for America and Israel in the long run.

Edited September 24, 2012 by MormonMason

[volgadon]

At the risk of getting too political and possibly getting this thread shut down, I have to remark that at least one of them really does care about Israel. The other pretends to care for Israel and insists on cutting all the borders back to pre-1967 conditions, as well as giving Jerusalem away. In order to prevent being directly political, I will only say what I have without naming names. We all can figure out who stands for what and what that might potentially mean for America and Israel in the long run.

I know what you are getting at, but we haven't noticed a huge difference. Even under a certain someone a few years ago who was sympathetic, there was still a lot of pressure on us. Roadmaps and whatnot. So, I'm not seeing a huge difference so far.

[SamIam]

Someone spoiled the harmony.

Ominously, a 6 6 6 is the current harmony.

[blackstrap]

Is it not prophesied that in the last days the WHOLE world will unite against Israel? Even unsophisticated old me can see a luming conflict where the world will turn quickly to condemn . Where's that unblemished calf when we need it?

[The Nehor]

At the risk of getting too political and possibly getting this thread shut down, I have to remark that at least one of them really does care about Israel. The other pretends to care for Israel and insists on cutting all the borders back to pre-1967 conditions, as well as giving Jerusalem away. In order to prevent being directly political, I will only say what I have without naming names. We all can figure out who stands for what and what that might potentially mean for America and Israel in the long run.

If the Savior needs the help of the American military to defend Israel I think his power in scripture is vastly overrated.

[Nathair/|\]

I know what is at stake. The Presidency, some national and state seats in legislatures, and some local officials. Some healthcare decisions are being debated, some tax laws considered, and plans to deal with recession.

Unless of course you get the story from talk radio in which case the survival of the constitution, democracy itself, and our families are all at risk. If we do not act we will all be swept away in a tide of socialism. The results: human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria, and this will be our future: http://www.theonion....w-age-of,29478/

I am just frustrated by the Seers in charge of this church. Everything is on the line and they like cowards declare neutrality when all we hold dear is about to be destroyed and Satan will soon usher in a new age of liberal darkness. Either that or Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh are blowing this all out of proportion. Which do you think is more likely?

Beautiful Ghostbusters allusion.