ERayR Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 My mistake, then. Perhaps I have gotten too caught up in the rhetoric produced by Dr. Peterson, Dr. Hamblin, and some of you kind people to realize that you actually hold Dr. Bradford in high esteem and support his changes.My apologies.Perhaps it is that you have allowed your personal animus toward Dr. Peterson and Dr. Hamlin to cloud your better judgement. Might be something to evaluate.
ERayR Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 The question to be asked... Why do they fight so hard to keep it from being restored if it's not wanted or needed?What segment of the population are you the spokesman for? Seems to me there is evidence aplenty that it is both wanted and needed. Please tell us for whom you speak.
volgadon Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 What segment of the population are you the spokesman for? Seems to me there is evidence aplenty that it is both wanted and needed. Please tell us for whom you speak.Ringringringringring has been banned.
ERayR Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Ringringringringring has been banned.The question was directed at Jacknimble.
JackNimble Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) ERayR,It just seems they are putting a lot of effort into trying to keep FARMS from reforming and possibly keep Dr. Peterson from participating in this endeavor. I think apologetics is a worthwhile subject and scholarship lends credibilty whether people have problems with the scholar's attitude towards the critics or not. Edited July 2, 2012 by JackNimble
ERayR Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 ERayR,It just seems they are putting a lot of effort into trying to keep FARMS from reforming and possibly keep Dr. Peterson from participating in this endeavor. I think apologetics is a worthwhile subject and scholarship is lends credibilty whether people have problems with the scholar's attitude towards the critics or not.I guess I am confused at your statement and what you meant.
JackNimble Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I like the apologetics and the scholarship that goes into it. Simple. It's interesting. 1
Hamilton Porter Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) I say we stick with Juliann's suggestion to start a fundraiser by selling Greg Smith's Dehlin paper. Sell it in the form of an eBook. Edited July 2, 2012 by Hamilton Porter
Kenngo1969 Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I noticed earlier in the conversation some folks were suggesting new acronyms for a FARMS-like group, so I thought I'd offer my own suggestion:ARMED = Apologetic Research for Mormon Education and Defense.I like it! People might think, though, based on the acronym alone, that it's a group formed to defend the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Kenngo1969 Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) ... I am familiar with Dr. Peterson and Dr. Hamblin's apologetic works; and am sufficiently trained to make a reasonable judgment on their ability. I had a colleague review Dr. Hamblin's paper on early Christian ritual; she said it was passable as a senior undergrad lit review.Well! I am certain we'll all be falling all over ourselves in an effort, not only to defer to your (conveniently-anonymous) colleague's (conveniently unknown) expertise, but also to kiss her Brass Ring! Thank you so much for that wonderful opportunity! Best wishes in the creation of your new institution, Mr. Pahoran. Eagerly awaiting to see it's impact and it's output.And speaking of senior undergrad lit reviews, you should probably be apprized of the difference between the words it's and its. It's, with the apostrophe, is never used as a possessive. The apostrophe indicates that the words "It is" have been combined by removing the "i" from the word "is," and substituting an apostrophe to indicate the removal. Best of luck with that senior undergrad lit review! Edited July 2, 2012 by Kenngo1969 1
Kenngo1969 Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) Ringringringringring has been banned.DANG IT! Now we'll never find out who Ringringringringringringring's (conveniently anonymous) colleague is, nor will Ringringringringringringringring [Will someone please pick up the danged phone?!!] be able to see my sincerest best wishes for success on his or her senior undergrad lit review! Edited July 2, 2012 by Kenngo1969
Storm Rider Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I say we stick with Juliann's suggestion to start a fundraiser by selling Greg Smith's Dehlin paper. Sell it in the form of an eBook.I will start off with $100 bid for an electronic copy.
Calm Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 DANG IT! Now we'll never find out who Ringringringringringringring's (conveniently anonymous) colleague is, nor will Ringringringringringringringring [Will someone please pick up the danged phone?!!] be able to see my sincerest best wishes for success on his or her senior undergrad lit review! Now you've got this stuck in my head:
Hamilton Porter Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 No need to sharpen the tone, Mr. Pahoran. I was unaware that you had a stake in the new institute - that is what you mean when you say 'advance the things we want to do, isn't it?Let me extend my apology - given the rhetoric of late, it's hard to distinguish friendly and not-so-friendly banter on this subject. I completely understand that you want to do different things, while at the same time, supporting Dr. Bradford in his efforts to take the Maxwell Institute into the realm of serious scholarship.Don't be so certain, Mr. Pahoran. I am familiar with Dr. Peterson and Dr. Hamblin's apologetic works; and am sufficiently trained to make a reasonable judgment on their ability. I had a colleague review Dr. Hamblin's paper on early Christian ritual; she said it was passable as a senior undergrad lit review.Best wishes in the creation of your new institution, Mr. Pahoran. Eagerly awaiting to see it's impact and it's output.Hamblin has published with Routledge and Peterson with Eerdmans.
Bill Hamblin Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Don't be so certain, Mr. Pahoran. I am familiar with Dr. Peterson and Dr. Hamblin's apologetic works; and am sufficiently trained to make a reasonable judgment on their ability. I had a colleague review Dr. Hamblin's paper on early Christian ritual; she said it was passable as a senior undergrad lit review..An astute observation, since the goal of the article was to introduce the average LDS to early Christian and Jewish mystical traditions. (Not every article is designed to be cutting edge scholarship, you know.) I have written books and articles with academic presses, and made professional presentations at numerous academic conferences on three continents, most recently in Dublin a couple of weeks ago on the temple in the Qur'an. Odd that these academic presses and conferences would accept work from an undergraduate-level hack, isn't it?By the way, what field is your PhD in? Edited July 3, 2012 by Bill Hamblin 3
Calm Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 By the way, what field is your PhD in?Alas, we will never know as the mods have apparently decided to leave ringringring perpetually on hold.
Bill Hamblin Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 Alas, we will never know as the mods have apparently decided to leave ringringring perpetually on hold.The loss of Ring3 will be sorely missed.
Calm Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 The loss of Ring3 will be sorely missed.It is what has kept me up all night for certain.
Glenn101 Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 Is there a legal problem with just resurrecting F.A.R.M.S. as a public, non-profit foundation again? I still like that name.I wish that the mods had not banned ringring so quickly. His was a lonely, mournful voice over here, but probably already had a home on another bored (intentional) where his brand of logic is the norm.Glenn
Kenngo1969 Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 Now you've got this stuck in my head:[media=] I laughed through that whole thing. It would actually be quite catching and endearing ... in small enough doses!
Kenngo1969 Posted July 3, 2012 Posted July 3, 2012 The loss of Ring3 will be sorely missed.There! All fixed!
Avatar4321 Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 What about these:Department of Apologetic Investigations and Research near the "Y" (DAIRY)True Apologetic Path Institute of Religious Studies (TAPIRS)Center for Unorthodox Readings of Egyptian Letters on Obscure Metal Scriptures (CURELOMS)Im dying here. seriously. love them.
Avatar4321 Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Well, We did SHIELDS, what about SWORDSScholarly Works for Orderly Research & Defense of Scriptures.Okay I got nothing.
blackstrap Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Independent Religious Scholarship .... wait ,I think that one is taken
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