Nofear Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Among the best reasons not to live in Utah was given by Brigham Young:I … testify, that unless the Latter-day Saints will live their religion, keep their covenants with God and their brethren, honor the priesthood which they bear, and try faithfully to bring themselves into subjection to the laws of God, they will be the first to fall beneath the judgments of the Almighty, for his judgments will begin at his own house.I look to Utah as a canary for the desolations prior to the Second Coming. PS: I also whole-heartedly agree with those who object to using "mission field" for a term to refer to outside Utah.
Buzzard Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 I have met Mormons just like this who have never been to the Rockies let alone Utah... See... I have every reason to carry a non-residents fondness for Texas, since my daughter is serving a mission there. However, the place is just too stinking flat for my taste. And don't tell me about the "Hill Country" . If it's not at least 8K high, it's not a mountain. If those monotonous prairies were so special, why are the following not in the Hymnbook?"Firm as the Prairies Around Us""O Ye Knolls High""High on a Hilltop"The MOUNTAIN west is where it's at. You don't even have to be LDS to know that. "West Texas-more oil rigs than people, and more cattle than oil rigs".I rest my case. 1
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 No real discussion here. I just wanted to see how many people (Scott Lloyd) would jump on this thread to quickly defend the Saints in Zion from my provncial intolerence. Watch the view count. Georgia is Zion...surly you know this.
KevinG Posted March 16, 2012 Author Posted March 16, 2012 Georgia is Zion...surly you know this.Of course. I'm just giving them milk before meat.(On the bright side it looks like I may have a shot at another local job + I'm working with a consulting firm that will allow me to stay in Georgia! - now if I'd just land the job and make some money with the firm...)
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Of course. I'm just giving them milk before meat.(On the bright side it looks like I may have a shot at another local job + I'm working with a consulting firm that will allow me to stay in Georgia! - now if I'dGod is good!
Scott Lloyd Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) ... immediately adjacent to Alta Vista Hospital ....It's Alta View Hospital, not Alta Vista.All of our children were born there except the eldest. I was a recipient of their ER services just last Halloween after a bicycle accident. Edited March 16, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
KevinG Posted March 16, 2012 Author Posted March 16, 2012 It's Alta View Hospital, not Alta Vista.I was a recipient of their ER services just last Halloween after a bicycle accident.Now there is a story I would like to hear! I can conjure up images of a grown man in a Harry Potter Wisard costume getting tangled in the spokes of a BMX bike.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Yeah, Utah Mormons didn't seem to realize that they were a mission field in and of themselves--I frequently heard them refer to "outside of Utah" as the mission field ...Odd, I was born here and have spent most of my life here, and I haven't heard the term used in that manner since, oh, the late '70s.but statistically, SLC Valley itself only had 25% of the population "active"--another 25% were "less active", and 50% non-members. Plenty o' work to be done. In fact, at least at the time, it was one of the highest English baptizing missions in the world.Of course, none of that success had to do with member missionary work, referrals, or the efforts of ward mission leaders and such. We [Darn] Utah Mormons don't have time for such trivialities.'Course, this thread is the perfect place to reveal my mission's "slogan"--"Every member a mission president." Hmm. When I was on my mission we were instructed to never speak disparagingly of the area or the people where we were serving. But that was back in the mid-'70s. Maybe the rules have changed since then. I'll have to consult my copy of Preach My Gospel. Edited March 16, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Now there is a story I would like to hear! I can conjure up images of a grown man in a Harry Potter Wisard costume getting tangled in the spokes of a BMX bike.Well, since you ask ....I was coming from work and riding my bike home from the light-rail station. We have a paved bike trail that runs parallel to the railroad right-of-way. They are doing construction work to extend the light-rail line further south. It will be nice when it's finished, because I'll be able to board the train just behind my house to go to my office, which is also next to a light-rail platform.Anyway, the construction workers had cut a trench in the pavement to install a utility line. It was just deep enough, and I hit it just hard enough, to throw me down.Too embarrassed to lie there in shock and agony, I picked up my bike and walked it the rest of the way home, appearing at the front door, eye swollen and bloody, looking like a zombie from "Night of the Living Dead." Very appropriate for the Halloween revelry.In short, I required out-patient surgery to repair an ocular blowout fracture, but I'm doing OK now. 1
KevinG Posted March 16, 2012 Author Posted March 16, 2012 'Course, this thread is the perfect place to reveal my mission's "slogan"--"Every member a mission president."Hmm. When I was on my mission we were instructed to never speak disparagingly of the area or the people where we were serving. But that was back in the mid-'70s. Maybe the rules have changed since then. I'll have to consult my copy of Preach My Gospel.Heh. I can see where a critical mass of LDS could make being a missionary in Utah an overly supervised experience! Busybodies are not a Utah only pheonomenon but I'm sure there are harder to avoid than they are in the wilderness of North Georgia.
mnn727 Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Utah Mormons, ha........haha..............hahahah.................................bwahhahahahahah!
KevinG Posted March 16, 2012 Author Posted March 16, 2012 Ouch - not as much fun as my imagined costume failure - but glad to hear you are healed.
KevinG Posted March 16, 2012 Author Posted March 16, 2012 Utah Mormons, ha........haha..............hahahah.................................bwahhahahahahah!uh oh... now I have to wait for the other shoe to drop.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Banff, talk about Asian Fever. Alberta has every kind of climate one could wish for,all one has to do is wait a couple of minutes.I'll be in Alberta about mid-summer for the Mormon History Association conference and may get over to Banff. I hope the weather has stabilized somewhat by then.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Heh.I can see where a critical mass of LDS could make being a missionary in Utah an overly supervised experience! Busybodies are not a Utah only pheonomenon but I'm sure there are harder to avoid than they are in the wilderness of North Georgia.And I wonder how many of the Utah busybodies have moved there from other locales. The southern end of Salt Lake Valley, where guitarist was serving, has grown explosively in population during the last four or five decades. Edited March 16, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
KevinG Posted March 16, 2012 Author Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) And I wonder how many of the Utah busybodies have moved there from other locales. The southern end of Salt Lake Valley, where guitarist was serving, has grown astronomically in population during the last four or five decades.You can have them! Utah Mormons is a sloppy and inaccurate description of arc steadiers and busybodies. Other than tweaking good fellows like yourself on this board I really don't use it. When the term comes up in Sunday School in my ward there is a chorus of voices that defend the good geographic region and people of Utah and point out as you rightly have - that busybodies come from all over.In fact the worst "Utah Mormons" in my ward never lived anywhere near Utah. One of them was from (shudder) Texas.Perahps we need to start a campaign to save Utahs poor image and substitute a new term? Edited March 16, 2012 by KevinG
Scott Lloyd Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Utah is a good place to be FROM. I have it on good authority that Nebraskans make the best Mormons.Brigham Young once told a Salt Lake City congregation, "This is a good place to make saints" (see Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young, p. 9). President Young, of course, was saying that Church members in the pioneer settlement would learn work, responsibility, consecration, etc. therein and thus acquire the attributes of sainthood.But some years ago when I put the quote in a headline "A good place to make saints," the editor compelled me to change it, thinking that people would read a salacious meaning into it. Edited March 16, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
Garden Girl Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 And I wonder how many of the Utah busybodies have moved there from other locales. The southern end of Salt Lake Valley, where guitarist was serving, has grown explosively in population during the last four or five decades.Hello Scott Lloyd...I do have to say... a new member of our ward who moved here after living several years in Utah tells me that some "Utah Mormons" really do live up to their reputation... that they can be "terrible" to one another, i.e., cliques, cold to new ward members, think the "mission field" refers to anyone outside Utah (a phrase used by my girlfriend from Salt Lake wherein I laughed and chided her), etc, etc.I only lived in Utah one year while at BYU so I really didn't have the same type of experience as someone moving into the general community/wards. I'm just going by what this person said. GG
Zakuska Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Yup... us Utah Mormons know how to bite REALLLLLY hard!You better watch out... you...
Scott Lloyd Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Hello Scott Lloyd...I do have to say... a new member of our ward who moved here after living several years in Utah tells me that some "Utah Mormons" really do live up to their reputation... that they can be "terrible" to one another, i.e., cliques, cold to new ward members, think the "mission field" refers to anyone outside Utah (a phrase used by my girlfriend from Salt Lake wherein I laughed and chided her), etc, etc.I only lived in Utah one year while at BYU so I really didn't have the same type of experience as someone moving into the general community/wards. I'm just going by what this person said.GGI've tried to hold meetings of our founding chapter of [Darn] Utah Mormons, but it's really difficult because we're so "terrible to one another" we can't stand to be in the same room.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Hello Scott Lloyd...I do have to say... a new member of our ward who moved here after living several years in Utah tells me that some "Utah Mormons" really do live up to their reputation... that they can be "terrible" to one another, i.e., cliques, cold to new ward members, think the "mission field" refers to anyone outside Utah (a phrase used by my girlfriend from Salt Lake wherein I laughed and chided her), etc, etc.I only lived in Utah one year while at BYU so I really didn't have the same type of experience as someone moving into the general community/wards. I'm just going by what this person said.GGA wise old man sat on a rock by a road. A traveler approached and stopped to ask the old man about the upcoming town. The old man said, “Before I tell you, answer me this: what did you think of the last town you were in?”“It was a horrible town. The people were rude, the buildings crude, there was not much to like about it,” the traveler responded.“You will find this town is just like that one,” the wise old man responded.Soon thereafter a second traveler approached the old man with the same question. As he had before, the old man said, “Before I tell you, answer me this: what did you think of the last town you were in?”“It was a wonderful town! The people were friendly, the buildings sturdy, I really enjoyed my time there,” the second traveler responded.“You will find this town is just like that one,” the wise old man responded.This wise old man understood that we choose our attitude, and that our attitude determines our experience.-- From "Peer Mentoring" by Michael C. Johnson 1
Garden Girl Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) I've tried to hold meetings of our founding chapter of [Darn] Utah Mormons, but it's really difficult because we're so "terrible to one another" we can't stand to be in the same room.Gosh, I must have hit a nerve for you and Zak... you have to admit....some Utah Mormons do have a reputation of being different. I think the operative word is "some." However, I've heard from more than one person that it was difficult to become acquainted, etc. Even here on the board we get the implications about Utah Mormons vs those from other areas. I've not personally experienced any problem the few times I've had the opportunity to visit. So, sorry, as I said I was mentioning what I was told by someone I trust and share a calling with... someone who is has a very positive attitude...I'm familiar with the quote you cited...GGEdit to add... BTW... I love Utah, its beauty, its history... I love the "idea" of Utah... Edited March 17, 2012 by Garden Girl
Scott Lloyd Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) Gosh, I must have hit a nerve for you and Zak... you have to admit....some Utah Mormons do have a reputation of being different. I think the operative word is "some." However, I've heard from more than one person that it was difficult to become acquainted, etc. Even here on the board we get the implications about Utah Mormons vs those from other areas. I've not personally experienced any problem the few times I've had the opportunity to visit. So, sorry, as I said I was mentioning what I was told by someone I trust and share a calling with... someone who is has a very positive attitude...I'm familiar with the quote you cited...GGEven people with a generally positive attitude can have inherent prejudices, attitudes and expectations and harbor stereotypes that influence their perspectives.I've made jokes in this and other threads, but in all seriousness, I do think we as a body of believers need to get over the tendency to judge and complain about one another on the basis of regional, cultural or other differences. It can hinder the unity that Christ said -- nay, commanded -- should characterize the people of God. At a time when we are under frequent attack from the outside, we on the inside can ill afford to be beating one another up over trivial matters. Edited March 19, 2012 by Scott Lloyd 1
Kenngo1969 Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 Utah is a good place to be FROM. It's not a bad place to live, either.
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