Duncan Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 So, what did you think of the broadcast earlier today? I thought it was okay, although I am not sure why they didn't wait until conference to speak as they spoke, as in there wasn't anything that was new or policy changing but good still!
Paddy Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) So, what did you think of the broadcast earlier today? I thought it was okay, although I am not sure why they didn't wait until conference to speak as they spoke, as in there wasn't anything that was new or policy changing but good still!DuncanWas the the leadership broadcast?? Also how did they "speak as they spoke"?? I am curious to know what you mean. Paddy Edited February 11, 2012 by Paddy
Duncan Posted February 11, 2012 Author Posted February 11, 2012 DuncanWas the the leadership broadcast?? Also how did they "speak as they spoke"?? I am curious to know what you mean.Paddywell, it is what you typically hear at GC, which is great, but I wasn't sure why they needed a broadcast to deliver their messages outside of GC. Yes, the broadcast was broadcast
Paddy Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 well, it is what you typically hear at GC, which is great, but I wasn't sure why they needed a broadcast to deliver their messages outside of GC. Yes, the broadcast was broadcastI have not seen it yet, but often they are a little less formal than GC. Unfortunately GC does not translate into Australian very well. Often leadership training is slightly better. !!Paddy
Duncan Posted February 12, 2012 Author Posted February 12, 2012 I have not seen it yet, but often they are a little less formal than GC.Unfortunately GC does not translate into Australian very well. Often leadership training is slightly better. !!PaddyYou should listen then to Elder Robert E. Sackley, former member of the 70!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3aFkXcLE7sI hear you, I am Canadian and the Utahness hurts me hearing sometimes!
Paddy Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 You should listen then to Elder Robert E. Sackley, former member of the 70!Yeah. I think we should have more Aussies to help round out the leadership. Or maybe not!! Elder Sackley came down to Tasmania when I was on my mission. He got up on the pulpit at the stake conference and became quite passionate and animated. Made a good difference to the saints in Tassie. Top bloke. Paddy 1
DavidC Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 There was a video segment made in England that would almost have benefited from captioning.
Duncan Posted February 12, 2012 Author Posted February 12, 2012 Broadcast? What broadcast?http://www.lds.org/study/prophets-speak-today/unto-all-the-world/broadcast-focus?lang=eng
BCSpace Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) I was gratified to note Dallin H Oaks continue to support what the Church has said about it's own doctrine and refer to the Handbook as "Doctrinal" about 4:20 into his talk. Edited February 12, 2012 by BCSpace
Paddy Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 I was gratified to note Dallin H Oaks continue to support what the Church has said about it's own doctrine and refer to the Handbook as "Doctrinal" about 4:20 into his talk.BCSpaceI am wondering why the handbook being doctrinal is important.?? Does it not mainly promote policy and procedure? If the handbook is change does this not change doctrine? Is doctrinal change a good or bad thing?Sorry about all the questions. I just never saw the handbook as doctrinal. Thoughts??Paddy
Duncan Posted February 12, 2012 Author Posted February 12, 2012 doesn't the handbook say that cremation is bad?, I was wondering why that would be even in there isn't God able to resurrect people regardless of how they died? People do, tragically, burn to death
blackstrap Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Cremation is the method of choice in some countries where land is at a premium. I am going that way,so as to be prepared for the afterlife! Technically cremation is just high speed oxidation where as burial is very slow speed.Also,aquaintences of mine have had the extreme displeasure of disenturing a body that was buried in a sealed coffin.Think,soup. Edited February 12, 2012 by blackstrap
mfbukowski Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 doesn't the handbook say that cremation is bad?, I was wondering why that would be even in there isn't God able to resurrect people regardless of how they died? People do, tragically, burn to deathNo, it doesn't say "cremation is bad".
Duncan Posted February 12, 2012 Author Posted February 12, 2012 No, it doesn't say "cremation is bad".well,what does it say then about it?!
Duncan Posted February 12, 2012 Author Posted February 12, 2012 Cremation is the method of choice in some countries where land is at a premium. I am going that way,so as to be prepared for the afterlife! Technically cremation is just high speed oxidation where as burial is very slow speed.Also,aquaintences of mine have had the extreme displeasure of disenturing a body that was buried in a sealed coffin.Think,soup.oh ugh, I think I'll be right back
mfbukowski Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 well,what does it say then about it?!You were unaware that the Handbook is available on line? You can look it up yourself.http://www.lds.org/search?lang=eng&collection=serving-in-the-church&publication=Handbook+2%3A+Administering+the+Church&query=cremation&x=0&y=0
mfbukowski Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 I was gratified to note Dallin H Oaks continue to support what the Church has said about it's own doctrine and refer to the Handbook as "Doctrinal" about 4:20 into his talk.I am having trouble finding the broadcast online- could you possibly post a link?
Calm Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 You were unaware that the Handbook is available on line? You can look it up yourself.http://www.lds.org/s...emation&x=0&y=0Volume 2 is...which includes most general and nontemple related policies.
Calm Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 I am having trouble finding the broadcast online- could you possibly post a link?Duncan posted a link to a textual summary, here's another one:http://www.lds.org/church/news/worldwide-leadership-training-highlights-path-to-real-growth?lang=engand here is a link to the broadcast itself: http://www.lds.org/broadcasts/archive/worldwide-leadership-training/2012/02?lang=eng
BCSpace Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 I was gratified to note Dallin H Oaks continue to support what the Church has said about it's own doctrine and refer to the Handbook as "Doctrinal" about 4:20 into his talk.BCSpaceI am wondering why the handbook being doctrinal is important.?? Does it not mainly promote policy and procedure? If the handbook is change does this not change doctrine? Is doctrinal change a good or bad thing?Sorry about all the questions. I just never saw the handbook as doctrinal. Thoughts??It's important because the Church defines official doctrine as everything it publishes. Doubters, even among apologists, still question that unfortunately, after all these years, and have even brought up the CHI as an example of something that is not doctrinal.
Calm Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) I have no problem calling the handbook and other manuals "doctrinal". OTOH, saying they are "pure doctrine and only pure doctrine"...that takes it too far imo (I don't see forbidding hay/straw in the church for example a doctrinal issue though we are commanded to care for our chapels and such, IIRC, in the D&C or at least set aside and dedicate our buildings to the Lord). Edited February 12, 2012 by calmoriah
BCSpace Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 I have no problem calling the handbook and other manuals "doctrinal". OTOH, saying they are "pure doctrine and only pure doctrine"...that takes it too far imo (I don't see forbidding hay/straw in the church for example a doctrinal issue though we are commanded to care for our chapels and such, IIRC, in the D&C or at least set aside and dedicate our buildings to the Lord).One can't make exceptions like this because there is nowhere to stop. Rather, simply take the Chruch at it's word and if something is not doctrine, it will be noted.
BCSpace Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 Here is a question. I did not attend the actual braodcast, but watched it online from here:http://www.lds.org/broadcasts/archive/worldwide-leadership-training/2011/02?lang=engHowever, I see that Uchtdorf and Packer spoke on a summary here:http://www.lds.org/church/news/worldwide-leadership-training-highlights-path-to-real-growth?lang=engIs the online broadcast incomplete then?
Nevo Posted February 12, 2012 Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Is the online broadcast incomplete then?Your first link was to last year's broadcast. I think you probably want this one: http://www.lds.org/b...012/02?lang=engBy the way, it looks like President Packer really did say the line that is apparently scandalizing John Dehlin and his following: "[the] thing that is of most worth for a woman in this life . . . [is] to be the wife and the mother of the children of a worthy holder of the priesthood." Edited February 12, 2012 by Nevo
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