Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Sad? Don't feel sad for me. I love the friends and family I have made in the church. I still love the gospel of Christ. But the church? I need to trust that it's claims are true, and I feel they aren't. And don't feel sad for me because of that - I am happy.H.Why am I not surprise. And I hope your tag line "Expert in Morality" was meant as a joke.Any way more to the point, of what I saw of this play. it was clearly a mockery of LDS beliefs the fact that you cannot see that probably reveals more about you than it does the play.I have a feeling that the rest of the play won't deviate much from what I did see.But hey, after all it is not really mockery, it is just "witty".
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I read where MItt Romney said he had not yet seen the play but was going to see it. I found that interesting. From all I've heard, the play (if it were a movie) would be rated R. I guess Mitt can separate his religious life from his public life . . . Who gives a crap if Mitt see's it. Are you just trying to score cheap political points? indeed.
LDSToronto Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Why am I not surprise. And I hope your tag line "Expert in Morality" was meant as a joke.It might have been JeffK or Pahoran, probably JeffK, but in some thread, I made some comments and someone kept insisting that I was claiming I was an expert in morality. I couldn't shake it, so I accepted the label.H.
LDSToronto Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Any way more to the point, of what I saw of this play. it was clearly a mockery of LDS beliefs the fact that you cannot see that probably reveals more about you than it does the play.All words I say reveal something about me. All words you say reveal something about you. Think on that for a bit.H.
mfbukowski Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 All words I say reveal something about me. All words you say reveal something about you. Think on that for a bit.H.Wow.A line for the Ages.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 All words I say reveal something about me. All words you say reveal something about you. Think on that for a bit.H.Oh boy. um....... well........
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 It might have been JeffK or Pahoran, probably JeffK, but in some thread, I made some comments and someone kept insisting that I was claiming I was an expert in morality. I couldn't shake it, so I accepted the label.H.Ok that is truly funny. Or witty? Or something?
cinepro Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I haven't seen it-but i've heard the songs, which mock beliefs and swear at God using the ugliest swear word possible. I know for some people (and i'm not being self righteous here) they can find deeper meaning in such ugliness and blind themselves to it in favor of seeing it in a different way-that's why i sincerely don't think you would have a problem with it.I'm not like that though. I can't find deeper meaning in things that i find offensive, even if the deeper meaning really is there.I'm not trying to set myself up as the defender of the play (especially since I haven't seen it), but I think the profanity gets in the way of the message.From my understanding of the song you are referring to, it is being used to show the contempt that the Ugandans have for God because of their misery. The show starts with three extremely happy, positive and humorous songs sung by missionaries showing them to be overwhelmingly positive and cheerful with a "convert the world!" attitude (which is certainly how all the missionaries I knew felt when we left the MTC).The extreme cheerfulness (and PG-ness) of the missionaries is then contrasted with the "reality" of life in Uganda, where the people have totally rejected the idea of a loving God, probably as a result of having Christian missionaries coming for generations and teaching them the Bible but not helping to actually improve their lives. The real key is that the song "Hasa Diga Eebowai" starts off explaining that this is how the Ugandans deal with war, poverty and famine, and the missionaries assume it is a positive, life-affirming song and go along with it ("Does it mean 'No worries'?"). It's only later in the song that they find out it is an expression of their cynicism towards religion and bitterness towards (Christian concepts of) God. When the missionaries find out what the song really means ("What?!"), they are just as shocked and offended as any LDS would be, and it starts them on their "journey".Yes, the song could have been done without the profanity, but the message of the song isn't the message of the play, it is explaining something about the characters in the play.
cdowis Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Latest news:Hours after “The Book of Mormon” walked off with nine Tony Awards including best musical, Broadway’s biggest new hit set a record with a top ticket price of $487.25.That’s what it will cost for a prime orchestra seat bought within 48 hours of a performance, including service charges, according to Telecharge.com, which handles the show’s ticket sales. That price tops the $480 premium ticket introduced by “The Producers” in 2001. (Factoring in inflation, that $480 ticket would cost $612 today.)The $165.25 regular orchestra seat for “Mormon” is another Broadway record. If any show can command it, it’s this one. Since opening to largely rapturous reviews on March 24, “Mormon” has played to full houses.In the wake of its Tony juggernaut on Sunday, virtually all available seats for the rest of the year were sold, according to a check of Telecharge. That suggests an advance sale of at least $30 million..........................Steven Baruch, a producer of “The Producers,” said “Mormon” should run for years.
cinepro Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Latest news:[off topic political rant]Holy cow!(Factoring in inflation, that (2001) $480 ticket would cost $612 today.)Thank goodness we have the wise bankers at the Fed to help manage inflation for us... [/off topic political rant]
Mark Beesley Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Who gives a crap if Mitt see's it. Are you just trying to score cheap political points? indeed.This is not a political board. Why would I want to score points in a match where they don't count?
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 This is not a political board. Why would I want to score points in a match where they don't count? So why bring Mitt up? He is not very relevant, but he is quite relevant in the political sphere.. And I see you like to make judgments about people esp when it was only speculated upon that he might see the show. I guess Mitt can separate his religious life from his public life Good form Mark.
cinepro Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 So why bring Mitt up? He is not very relevant, but he is quite relevant in the political sphere.. In case anyone missed it, a recent issue of Newsweek had a story about the resent increase in Mormon references in pop and political culture. I did chuckle at their cover:
KevinG Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I missed the Nuremburg rallies but I trust they were probably offensive to Jews.
Pahoran Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I missed the Nuremburg rallies but I trust they were probably offensive to Jews.Humph. Haven't you heard? If you didn't attend at least one yourself, you can't comment.Regards,Pahoran
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Humph. Haven't you heard? If you didn't attend at least one yourself, you can't comment.Regards,PahoranDon't forget, I am sure they would be witty.
cdowis Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I missed the Nuremburg rallies but I trust they were probably offensive to Jews.My mission president was a missionary back in the day....He listened to Hitler speaking, and everyone jumped up and shouted and gave the salute. Guess what, he discovered that he was doing it also.Anyway, an interesting story.
Bernard Gui Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 This is Trey Parker's third major shot at the Mormons. For some odd reason he hasfixated on us. Unfortunately, his works simply typify the black-hole cesspool ofAmerican pop culture. As far as being an enduring musical....right up there with FiddlerOn the Roof, My Fair Lady, Sound of Music, Porgy and Bess,West Side Story, Oklahoma, South Pacific...it is not in the same universe. It's simplykitschy payback for Prop. 8. Bernard
Bernard Gui Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I missed the Nuremburg rallies but I trust they were probably offensive to Jews.Oh snap! Godwin's Law!!! Bernard
KevinG Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 My mission president was a missionary back in the day....He listened to Hitler speaking, and everyone jumped up and shouted and gave the salute. Guess what, he discovered that he was doing it also.Anyway, an interesting story.I was listening to an account from a Jewish man who was there as a boy. He found himself very caught up on the rally and he didn't really comprehend it himself. The ability of Hitler to rally a mob was a frightening thing. (I think I just Godwined myself)
KevinG Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 This is Trey Parker's third major shot at the Mormons. For some odd reason he hasfixated on us. Unfortunately, his works simply typify the black-hole cesspool ofAmerican pop culture. As far as being an enduring musical....right up there with FiddlerOn the Roof, My Fair Lady, Sound of Music, Porgy and Bess,West Side Story, Oklahoma, South Pacific...it is not in the same universe. It's simplykitschy payback for Prop. 8. BernardI suspect the fixation on the Mormons comes from an upbringing in the intermountain west. In fairness they are pretty fixated on the Catholics and Scientologists.
Bernard Gui Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I suspect the fixation on the Mormons comes from an upbringing in the intermountain west. In fairness they are pretty fixated on the Catholics and Scientologists.Is there anything about Catholics and Scientologists that approaches the excrement of Orgazmo?Don't think so. Trey even starred in that stinkbomb.Bernard
cinepro Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I suspect the fixation on the Mormons comes from an upbringing in the intermountain west. In fairness they are pretty fixated on the Catholics and Scientologists.QFT.While a certain argument can be made for Parker and Stone's focus on Mormons (several references on South Park, the feature film "Orgazmo", the musical under discussion etc.), if you take a look at the 15 seasons of South Park, it is a virtual avalanche of mockery towards every religion, race and creed imaginable. Including a two-episode mockery of atheism, wherein an atheist of the future expresses one of the key atheist principles discovered by Richard Dawkins:"Science and reason are not enough. You have to be an ("idiot") to everyone that doesn't think like you."
Bernard Gui Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Don't forget, I am sure they would be witty.It is nothing if it is not witty. Junior High Potty Humor.....I mean Adult Humor at its best.Bernard
Nathair/|\ Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 QFT.While a certain argument can be made for Parker and Stone's focus on Mormons (several references on South Park, the feature film "Orgazmo", the musical under discussion etc.), if you take a look at the 15 seasons of South Park, it is a virtual avalanche of mockery towards every religion, race and creed imaginable. Including a two-episode mockery of atheism, wherein an atheist of the future expresses one of the key atheist principles discovered by Richard Dawkins:"Science and reason are not enough. You have to be an ("idiot") to everyone that doesn't think like you."Don"t forget "Cannibal"
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