Echo Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Ah, the inerrantist's favorite version. How good is this version?God breathed?2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:Actually the Greek word is "theopneustos"."Theo" meaning God and "pneustos" a variant of the word "pneuma" or spirit (as in 1 Cor 2:11) and it literally means spirited.The word
Echo Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 No hose no means for you to get the water. You cant get one without the other.God provides the hose
Zakuska Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 God provides the hoseYet we have to grab hold of what he has provided. "Try Try as hard as you can... you can't seperate works from the salvation equation of man." - A Zakuska OriginalWorks have a specific role.
Echo Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 "Willfully" or as the Lexicon puts it "Willingly" (Nothing about "Desire" in the verse)You have proved my point
Zakuska Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 You have proved my pointO contrare. You said that they "Desired to keep Sinning". Willingy has nothing to do with Desire.
Tanyan Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 I am using the meaning of the word as found in a dictionary And we are using it in the True Anchient Israelite/Christian Heart/Mindset understanding of Individuals who lived in the middle East during "Biblical Times/Era", not from a modern Dictionary, but by the True Faithful Lives they lived. In His Debt/Grace, Tanyan, LDS JEDI KNIGHT.
volgadon Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 pick oneHow should I know what kind of dictionary you used? That is why I asked you.
Tanyan Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 How should I know what kind of dictionary you used? That is why I asked you. I can't wait to see what dictionary Echo used/uses !. In His Debt/Grace, Tanyan - LDS JEDI KNIGHT.
Echo Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 O contrare. You said that they "Desired to keep Sinning". Willingy has nothing to do with Desire.Synonyms of Willingly: gladly, happily (Wiktionary http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/willingly)
Echo Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 And we are using it in the True Anchient Israelite/Christian Heart/Mindset understanding of Individuals who lived in the middle East during "Biblical Times/Era", not from a modern Dictionary, but by the True Faithful Lives they lived. In His Debt/Grace, Tanyan, LDS JEDI KNIGHT.Biblical scholars use the word "faith" because they translate the meaning of the word from the earliest manuscripts. Faith means "trust"CFR please
Echo Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 How should I know what kind of dictionary you used? That is why I asked you.It doesn't matter which one you pick. The word means the same thing in every dictionary perhaps with the exception of the LDS dictionary
Zakuska Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Synonyms of Willingly: gladly, happily (Wiktionary http://en.wiktionary.../wiki/willingly)Neither one depict "lusting after sin".If we sin after we come to know Jesus our sins are layed bare before God. That is why the Lords supper (communion) was institituted to give us a way to wash the sleight clean again through the confession and repentance process.
Tanyan Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Biblical scholars use the word "faith" because they translate the meaning of the word from the earliest manuscripts. Faith means "trust"CFR please Echo, Within the Walls of The Heavenly Mansion [New Jerusalem] on High where GOD The Father, GOD The Son, God The Holy Ghost reside the meaning of "Faith" with a present tense with an ongoing action means Acceptance of, Belief in, Commitment to, Confidence in, Dicsipleship to, Faithfulness to, Fidelity to, Follower of, Hope in, Loyalty to, Obediance to, Perseverence for, Reliance on, Striving for, Trust in, Zeal for The Person and work of THE LORD OF LIFE CHRIST JESUS. I am assured you do not agree with the above definitions, but Remember The LORD stated that "My Thoughts are not your thoughts, and my ways are not your thoughts saith the LORD [ Isaiah 55:8 ]. Pray tell you are not aware of the Anchients understanding of "Faith" ?. In His Debt/Grace, Tanyan - LDS JEDI KNIGHT.
volgadon Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 It doesn't matter which one you pick. The word means the same thing in every dictionary perhaps with the exception of the LDS dictionaryOf course it doesn't matter which one I pick, because I asked you what type you used, unless you are admitting that you didn't actually consult a dictionary.
LeSellers Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 The Bible contains every single thing God said that he wants us to know for life and for salvation. Jesus said many things beyond what we have written in our bible. Since those words aren't in our Bible, God felt they weren't nessesary.What on earth (or in the Bible) makes you think that?Since there is nothing in the Bible that we can reasonably interpret as what you claim here, how did you reach that conclusion?Lehi
Doctor Steuss Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 Faith means "trust"Partially correct (as far as a patron relationship goes).CFR pleaseSee posts 430, 439, 401, 448, 407, and 455 (I
WalkerW Posted January 5, 2010 Posted January 5, 2010 It doesn't matter which one you pickReally? That is interesting considering 'faith' went from being understood as 'fidelity', 'faithfulness', and 'loyalty' to the religious understanding today around the 14th century. Even 'belief' came to mean a mental acceptance by the 16th century. So the question remains: what dictionary did you use?
Echo Posted January 15, 2010 Posted January 15, 2010 Grace has been identified by many scholars to be a reciprocal system (often the client-patron system, though this specific system has met some criticism):"People in the United States and northern Europe may be culturally conditioned to find the concept of patronage distasteful at first and not at all a suitable metaphor for talking about God
WalkerW Posted January 15, 2010 Posted January 15, 2010 WalkerW- What type of response are you looking for here that we havn't already discussed thouroughly?If grace expects something in return, it isn't grace. Grace is the unmerited, undeserved love God has for all of mankind whether or not they reciprocate. We have discussed this already.You are merely asserting. Within the cultural context of the New Testament, grace and faith were part of a reciprocal system. In other words, your definition of grace is fundamentally flawed.
Zakuska Posted January 15, 2010 Posted January 15, 2010 If grace expects something in return, it isn't grace. Grace is the unmerited, undeserved love God has for all of mankind whether or not they reciprocate. We have discussed this already.Bingo. "Reciprocation" is the key word there. Which is also saying that "Grace" has to be freely given and can have no strings attached.So then why does Paul place strings on Grace making an "Action of recipraction" a reqirement for receiving it?Romans 10 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Moving ones lips is an Action which must be made in order for the "Grace" to take effect.
Echo Posted January 15, 2010 Posted January 15, 2010 You are merely asserting. Within the cultural context of the New Testament, grace and faith were part of a reciprocal system. In other words, your definition of grace is fundamentally flawed.I don't believe my definition is fundamentally flawed. I think you have been taken to the cleaners on your definition.
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