Garment woes

[MustardSeed]

Still can’t get garments unless I want 3XL.  Husband finally was  able to order his regular shirts  - came yesterday but the sleeves hang extra low beyond regular tshirt length!!! What in the world! 
Frankly I’m tired of this. 

[Pyreaux]

I feel for you. Having recently realized I'm an autistic person, I hate tight fitting clothing (touch sensitivity), yet I do like many layers of cloths (pressure seeking).

I don't suppose you are open to tailoring it?

[Notatbm]

Do like a lot of TBM women here in Gilbert AZ and likely Utah do... Wear workout clothes all day and be comfortable....and keep your recommend. Its what all the cool kids do. Of course that would involve working out on a rare occasion and staying in the workout getup for the rest of the day. We would not want to lie to our Bishop about wearing the temple garment day and night throughout your life.

 

[smac97]

1 minute ago, Notatbm said:

Do like a lot of TBM women here in Gilbert AZ and likely Utah do... Wear workout clothes all day and be comfortable....and keep your recommend. Its what all the cool kids do.

That or keep one's covenants.

1 minute ago, Notatbm said:

Of course that would involve working out on a rare occasion and staying in the workout getup for the rest of the day. We would not want to lie to our Bishop about wearing the temple garment day and night throughout your life.

Yes, lying is bad.

[Pyreaux]

50 minutes ago, Notatbm said:

Do like a lot of TBM women here in Gilbert AZ and likely Utah do... Wear workout clothes all day and be comfortable....and keep your recommend. Its what all the cool kids do. Of course that would involve working out on a rare occasion and staying in the workout getup for the rest of the day. We would not want to lie to our Bishop about wearing the temple garment day and night throughout your life.

Does a TBM wear them while swimming, bathing, contact sports, or intense physical exercise? No. Yet, when asked, "Do you wear them?", in an interview, answering "Yes" is an honest assessment of following a rule within its reasonable bounds. The church leaves decisions about when to remove it to individual conscience, prayer, and common sense rather than cultural trends, nor having leaders act as daily wardrobe auditors.

Edited Thursday at 06:30 PM by Pyreaux

[bluebell]

2 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Still can’t get garments unless I want 3XL.  Husband finally was  able to order his regular shirts  - came yesterday but the sleeves hang extra low beyond regular tshirt length!!! What in the world! 
Frankly I’m tired of this. 

Same on the women’s garment issue. My choices are either triple extra small or triple extra large. I don’t live in Utah so going to an actual distribution center there isn’t an option (though for some reason it does seem like they have them available since I see many many people online getting them) and the distribution center closest to me hasn’t had any either for a while. It’s very frustrating. . 

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

don't suppose you are open to tailoring it?

Against the rules unless things have changed.

[MustardSeed]

2 hours ago, Notatbm said:

Do like a lot of TBM women here in Gilbert AZ and likely Utah do... Wear workout clothes all day and be comfortable....and keep your recommend. Its what all the cool kids do. Of course that would involve working out on a rare occasion and staying in the workout getup for the rest of the day. We would not want to lie to our Bishop about wearing the temple garment day and night throughout your life.

 

Sounds like you’re particularly judgmental of what’s going on around you.  My suggestion is drop that burden. 

[MustardSeed]

2 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

don't suppose you are open to tailoring it?

I wish. That is specifically against directives.  But what are we supposed to do?
 

[Calm]

3 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

Having recently realized I'm an autistic person

Hope it’s as beneficial for you as it has been for me.  So much easier to understand why I am reacting in certain ways and have effective ways to deal with it.   Friction with family members is almost absent now and not just by suppression, lol

Edited Thursday at 09:18 PM by Calm

[Notatbm]

2 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Sounds like you’re particularly judgmental of what’s going on around you.  My suggestion is drop that burden. 

Not judgmental, just an observation. I’m don’t wear em at all. The workout clothes deal has been a TBM workaround for several years. 

[Pyreaux]

2 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

I wish. That is specifically against directives.  But what are we supposed to do?

Well, the restriction is intended to simply ensure that, first and foremost the sacred marks sewn in remain intact and positioned correctly and to stop people from shortening hems or lowering necklines to fit modern fashion trends, but the rule itself is written as a blanket instruction.

Officially, the instruction is to let the Church handle fit and medical needs through specific official channels. If standard off-the-rack garments do not fit, the Beehive Clothing department provides custom orders for sizes or fabrics, or you can request a special size or custom tailoring directly through Church Distribution Services rather than altering the items at home.

 

[MustardSeed]

1 hour ago, Notatbm said:

Not judgmental, just an observation. I’m don’t wear em at all. The workout clothes deal has been a TBM workaround for several years. 

Asolutely no- i do not accept this as being non judgemental at all. Your observations are most certainly judgy.  Your tone is very clear. I would invite you to be a little more self reflective. 
 

 

[Notatbm]

45 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Asolutely no- i do not accept this as being non judgemental at all. Your observations are most certainly judgy.  Your tone is very clear. I would invite you to be a little more self reflective. 
 

 

Oh so are you telling me this isn’t a thing? 
 

as for you thinking I’m just being judgmental… ok . Does this make anything I said not true? 
 

[MustardSeed]

5 hours ago, Notatbm said:

Oh so are you telling me this isn’t a thing? 
 

as for you thinking I’m just being judgmental… ok . Does this make anything I said not true? 
 

Don’t know don’t care , totally honestly.  

[Pyreaux]

On 8/20/2026 at 7:25 PM, Notatbm said:

Oh so are you telling me this isn’t a thing? 
 

as for you thinking I’m just being judgmental… ok . Does this make anything I said not true? 
 

Yes. Your assertion that LDS women in Gilbert wear workout gear specifically to deceive their bishops out of laziness or hypocrisy, that is an assumption about their internal motives, not a verifiable fact. I cannot "disprove" your cynical interpretation of another person's heart because motives aren't visible. You treat your cynical guess as a fact and then demand we disprove your guess. That isn't truth.

Full of loaded phrasing ("what all the cool kids do") and hostile framing, you construct a deceptive narrative. You certainly don't know why every individual wears what they wear, so asserting they are all lying isn't 'truth', it's just your preference to assume the worst.

We don't have to disprove your bad-faith interpretation. The fact that you always frame everything in the most hostile way possible speaks to your bias. It’s interesting how you demand strict literal proof from everyone else but expect everyone to accept your unprovable assumptions about Church members as absolute fact. People who operate this way rarely want an honest dialogue. They want to score points.

[marineland]

"Individuals who have received their endowments who desire to make garments for 
themselves or a family member may do so" (Letter of the Office of the First Presidency,
March 9, 1971).

https://mormonstudies.as.virginia.edu/princes-research-excerpts-temples-mormonism/bergera-garments

[webbles]

47 minutes ago, marineland said:

"Individuals who have received their endowments who desire to make garments for 
themselves or a family member may do so" (Letter of the Office of the First Presidency,
March 9, 1971).

https://mormonstudies.as.virginia.edu/princes-research-excerpts-temples-mormonism/bergera-garments

That's not the current policy.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, marineland said:

"Individuals who have received their endowments who desire to make garments for 
themselves or a family member may do so" (Letter of the Office of the First Presidency,
March 9, 1971).

https://mormonstudies.as.virginia.edu/princes-research-excerpts-temples-mormonism/bergera-garments

I don’t know about 1971, but iirc (I no longer have the book with the info in it), for a time after switching to mass produced garments, they allowed members to still make their own based off of the garments they already had, it looks like patterns were not provided by the Church according to the link marineland provided (thanks for that as my memory was wrong).  It was stopped, again iirc, because some took liberties with not following the pattern sufficiently.  This may have been reality, may have been perception (a few reported cases may have given the impression of widespread noncompliance).  Can’t recall if the chapter commented on the reality or not.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Calm