The Nehor Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 hours ago, teddyaware said: I’m wondering what’s going to happen on the day of judgement when God reveals to the recalcitrant plural marriage naysayers that the early leaders of his restored church were fully justified of him when they practiced polygamy and canonized Section 132. I’m thinking there’s even the possibility that there will be some among the remaining naysayers who’ll be so convinced that they’re right that they’ll even boldly contend with the Lord face to face on the issue, insisting with great zeal and passion that he’s been deceived by the devil. Hopefully those remaining naysayers will actually speak up and make their protestations known because I’d hate to see any man violate his own good conscience by silently acquiescing to something he doesn’t believe is right due to what he perceives to be coercive pressure. It should make for a most interesting and enlightening encounter. *Final Judgement* *God is asked to explain the gender disparity* God: Okay, so you’re wondering why Section 132 seems misogynistic? Well, I can clear that up easily. It is. It was intended to be. I am a misogynist. I mean…..have you ever sat down and read the scriptures I gave you? Bro, do you even Torah? Female sex slaves, menstruation making you impure, one-sided sexual ethics, treating women like property…..I mean, was no one paying attention? I thought I was pretty clear. I even designed the body of women to make them miserable once a month for most of their lives. Pointless pain, random bleeding, isn’t it obvious I just don’t like women? When I was a mortal this girl Susie snubbed me when I asked her out in front of my friends and I decided women must pay. They must ALL pay! I don’t know where you mortals came up with the idea that I was for gender equality. Bunch of woke nonsense. Okay, any other questions? Nehor: So is my harem of twinky guys and tomboys okay? God: No, and you are definitely going to hell. Nehor: Can I take them all with me? God: Sure, whatever. Nehor: WOOHOO!!!!! Questioner: So why did you tell your chosen people to commit genocide? God: To cleanse the impure. I was trying to usher in a utopia of purity and goodness but people kept balking at what would be necessary. I mean I thought we finally had it in the 1930s when I got that dimwitted fellow with the Charlie Chaplin mustache to set the wheels in motion but then the entire world unites to stop it. It is like you people didn’t even want a millenial utopia. Ungrateful brats. Questioner: You seem to hate humanity a lot. Why were we created? God: Existence is an infinite regress of Gods and the only way to rise in the hierarchy is to have more minion Gods serving you. It is basically a big MLM scheme. Hey, wait a minute. If more Gods give me more power why am I making this hard? Okay, new plan, you are all now full Gods. Yes, even you Cain. You’re off the hook. Go and do whatever. And recruit more Gods since I get rewarded for that for being your upline. Enjoy the powers or whatever. I need a nap. Nehor: *EVIL LAUGH* 4
JVW Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 22 minutes ago, MrShorty said: It's a significant tangent from the main thread topic, but I often wonder about all of the people who sincerely believe stuff that I think is wrong. What will happen to all the sincere Protestants and Catholics and other Christians who failed to accept the restored gospel? What will happen to all of the sincere LGBTQ who reject the church's stance on their choices because they believe God has communicated that He approves of their choices? What will happen to the sincere LDS who believe (or have believed) that race is an indicator of divine disfavor? What about sincere LDS who believe that all are alike unto God and race is meaningless? I look around the world and I often think of the fate of those who sincerely believe the wrong thing. Most of the time, I end up in a place where God knows how to redeem these sincere believers. Latter-day Saintism has taught me that God has contingency plans to re-educate in the next life those who didn't know better in this life. He has taught that necessary ordinances/rites/sacraments can be performed by proxy so that no one misses out on those. At that point, I usually end up trying to figure out what might be the important things to learn in this life. From this comment, I wonder if the most important thing to learn in this life is epistemic humility. The ability to accept that you might be wrong about something and are willing to change your beliefs and practices if/when God tells you they need to be changed. This might even be what Alma was talking about (Alma 42) when he talks about "the penitent man." Of course, I look around at my fellow LDS and I see some who seem so certain of their beliefs that I wonder if they, too, will find themselves arguing with God when He tells them something they believe is wrong. I'm inclined to believe that we are all wrong and that that is part of the condition of weakness that God has given us in an effort to turn our hearts to His Son. The Right and Left, the abusers and abused, the Orthodox and Progressive, all can be saved and face a pleasing judgment as they focus on the One Right Thing. The problem with this view is that it extends to LDS church leadership, policy, and structure, past and present, which can be difficult to reconcile with temple covenants. ETA: Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong and a stupid idiot. Cheers! Edited January 21 by JVW 2
The Nehor Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Senator said: You seem to dwell a lot on the "day of judgement" scene. Wonder why that is? “Just wait until Daddy gets home! You’re all going to be in so much trouble for being mean to me and not listening to me. You’ll see. He’ll tell you that I was right all along. I’m a good boy and deserve a treat and headpets.”
Tacenda Posted January 26 Author Posted January 26 I wonder if this guy will be next on the chopping block. 1
webbles Posted January 26 Posted January 26 34 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I wonder if this guy will be next on the chopping block. He's been talking about monogamy for quite some time. So unless this is a new thing (excommunicating for advocating that Joseph never practiced polygamy), I doubt it. I'm not even sure if he is an active member at this time. I remember looking into whether he is a Snufferite at one point because many of his arguments followed Snuffer's. 2
InCognitus Posted January 26 Posted January 26 It's one thing to have differences of opinion about church doctrine and history, but it's quite another thing to have an open attitude about trying to change the church itself and actively attempting to convert other members to your views. I know of several members that have quirky ideas about the church and its teachings and some even reject many of the teachings, but nobody is trying to excommunicate them. We just minister to them and smile while they express their views. 3
JVW Posted January 26 Posted January 26 13 hours ago, Tacenda said: I wonder if this guy will be next on the chopping block. I saw a video from this guy once, doesn't he believe that Brigham Young had Joseph assassinated? I haven't researched any of that, but the video I saw presented a pretty compelling argument for Willard Richards killing Hyrum. If he's not ex'd by now I don't doubt the he will be soon if his Stake President is paying attention or if God is moving through Stake Presidents collectively to ex people who appear to be better members than I am.
The Nehor Posted January 27 Posted January 27 11 hours ago, JVW said: I saw a video from this guy once, doesn't he believe that Brigham Young had Joseph assassinated? I haven't researched any of that, but the video I saw presented a pretty compelling argument for Willard Richards killing Hyrum. If he's not ex'd by now I don't doubt the he will be soon if his Stake President is paying attention or if God is moving through Stake Presidents collectively to ex people who appear to be better members than I am. Wait, he argued that Willard Richards deliberately killed Hyrum?
webbles Posted January 27 Posted January 27 30 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Wait, he argued that Willard Richards deliberately killed Hyrum? I don't think he argued that but he did give a talk at an event in 2023 where some of the other speakers did argue that. I think this theory is fairly new in its modern form but does have some articles, youtube videos, and a few events discussing it. 1
JVW Posted January 27 Posted January 27 38 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Wait, he argued that Willard Richards deliberately killed Hyrum? I don't have access to YT on this device but from what I recall he gave some very persuasive reasoning based on Hyrum's death mask and some other stuff that Hyrum was shot under the chin with an exit wound out by his ear and stated that the most logical explanation for the wounds being in these spots was someone in the room sticking a gun under his head and shooting him. I'm pretty sure it's that guy who did a video on it, I'll see if I can find it on my TV and try and find a link
sunstoned Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 1/25/2026 at 6:43 PM, Tacenda said: I wonder if this guy will be next on the chopping block. Note: The following is just my opinion: As long as Jeremy does not reference in a perceived negative way any of the current GAs, he will be left alone. That is what tripped up Bill Reel, he did a podcast on Jeffry Holland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyFsy2zQf04), focusing on some of his incorrect statements. RFM has not (to the best of my knowledge) been excommunicated in spite of his heavy criticism of the church.
The Nehor Posted January 27 Posted January 27 4 hours ago, JVW said: I don't have access to YT on this device but from what I recall he gave some very persuasive reasoning based on Hyrum's death mask and some other stuff that Hyrum was shot under the chin with an exit wound out by his ear and stated that the most logical explanation for the wounds being in these spots was someone in the room sticking a gun under his head and shooting him. I'm pretty sure it's that guy who did a video on it, I'll see if I can find it on my TV and try and find a link I don’t know if the video I went to is the same one but I found someone trying to justify this and it was ridiculous. They speak confidently and have an air of professionalism while spewing total nonsense. 2
JVW Posted January 27 Posted January 27 7 hours ago, The Nehor said: I don’t know if the video I went to is the same one but I found someone trying to justify this and it was ridiculous. They speak confidently and have an air of professionalism while spewing total nonsense. You gotta loosen up! Can't be serious all the time. Have some fun and bask in the ridiculous. It makes life a little less boring.
Tacenda Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 13 hours ago, sunstoned said: Note: The following is just my opinion: As long as Jeremy does not reference in a perceived negative way any of the current GAs, he will be left alone. That is what tripped up Bill Reel, he did a podcast on Jeffry Holland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyFsy2zQf04), focusing on some of his incorrect statements. RFM has not (to the best of my knowledge) been excommunicated in spite of his heavy criticism of the church. Michelle and Karen, don't seem to have gone too far against the leadership, but could be wrong. Thanks for the input though!
Calm Posted January 27 Posted January 27 3 hours ago, JVW said: You gotta loosen up! Can't be serious all the time. Have some fun and bask in the ridiculous. It makes life a little less boring. Accusing innocent people of betraying friends and murdering them isn’t something I would put into the fun category of ridiculous. 1
Calm Posted January 27 Posted January 27 As it turns out, I came across a relevant comment about the conspiracy theory just researching a completely different topic for someone… https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/conference_home/august-2024_fair_conference/carruth-brigham_young_on_brigham_young#QandA Quote Scott Gordon: What is your view on the theory that Brigham had Joseph Smith killed? LaJean Purcell Carruth: It is absolute, total, utter nonsense. I have in my life experienced a tremendous amount of personal slander somewhat ugly that has made me fierce in seeking truth and defending on the truth. I have personally transcribed George DWT Shand notes taken in the courtroom when men were tried for the murder of Joseph Smith. There are two other sets of longhand notes that I have also read. If any group had any interest in promoting that theory it would have been those men on trial for murder. There’s a hint of it that’s utter nonsense. It’s easy to make up stories and throw stones. 3
The Nehor Posted January 28 Posted January 28 16 hours ago, JVW said: You gotta loosen up! Can't be serious all the time. Have some fun and bask in the ridiculous. It makes life a little less boring. *stares* Wait…..someone is telling me that I am being too serious? This has never happened before. *I start crying* Mom will be so proud. 3
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