MustardSeed

If anyone is terribly worked up about this, take heart from an actual therapist who is well connected. No one I know is pushing for hedonism. Thanks.

I’m a therapist and would like information on what percentage of therapists adhere to this type of therapy before any claims that this is a trend at all. I don’t believe that is true.

Sorry- I should have explained it. Usually I can download and post but it didn’t let me- A man reviewing another account that where a female hairdresser shared that it’s not uncommon for men to pleasure themselves under the stylist cape during services. The comment section was rampant with similar experiences, and the man telling the story was basically saying in a genuinely befuddled and sad way, “we are broken and we have to fix this” . Apparently it’s a common enough practice that some cosmo schools warn their students of the behavior.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8G7243g/

Maybe knowledge will.

Surely you knew he’d provide it

I do believe that was his point

As an active member, I can’t see the last time I ever really thought about this or anticipated it. And it certainly isn’t a conversation in my LDS social circles. Or at church. I’m not saying there isn’t any doctrine involved, but you certainly make us out to be a bunch of freaking weirdos with the topic. Most of us just aren’t that weird . FWIW.

So important

If I was in a room of 20 people, and I was throwing a party and inviting everybody, I can’t imagine skipping one simply because I knew they didn’t like me. I would invite each person and let them make their own decisions. If he doesn’t believe in Jesus, the blessing isn’t going to harm anybody. (?) When my father-in-law was dying, there was a group of 15 people in the room. My husband and his uncle were the only active members of the church. My husband announced he was going to give his dad a parting blessing. ** he invited every person in the room to stand in the circle with him.*** there was not a dry eye in the room. Every single person felt connected to each other throughout that deeply beautifully spiritual experience. Do what you will with that story.

Cool- have fun with it!

Interesting, I didn’t consider that? But then I live in an area where this is normal clothing for runners. I remember living in Utah it would have been scandalous back in the day to show a “midriff” whatever that is lol

It’s disappearing fast !

I used to be a runner. I moved to an area with no sidewalks so now I run on a treadmill but this was my experience - I didn’t think about it much but as I watched this, I thought to myself, geez, get out of my head.

So interesting. I’ve spent all week working with 4 different musicians in the studio working on their original stuff. I’ve never used ai myself for the music. But so many are.

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Can you tell me more- i’ve never used suno. What type of prompts are used to create the music?

It’s interesting what ai is doing (to? For?) the music industry- I assume you wrote the lyrics and the melody? Ai did the rest?

Ah. Indeed. They both were respectful and yet firm in their replies to you. Youve earned that respect in your consistent presentation.

They are lucky to have you .

Prudential caution being labeled as “prejudice” is, it seems to me, intended to upset. (Ineffective, but noted, because it’s such a strange false equivalence for a reasonable person to stoop to) “You’re prejudiced” is a character attack. This sentiment was asserted several times, not directly to me but passive aggressively (thereby conveniently deniable.) Insult is intended in that.

1. I value the assertiveness and even the fighting words because to be so utterly dismissed around such a real daily topic felt so demeaning and to be defended is so unusual and felt like a cold drink of water on a hot day. ( I get that some who have spoken up and other who haven’t also felt demeaned by the inner dialogue some women have that “I need to be careful in the presence of any unvetted, and unfortunately at times vetted man because terrible things happen, and those terrible things include rape thus any man TO ME could be potential rapist for all I know) 2. I respect the apology. ALL conflicts (and I see this thread as a conflict) are dynamically driven. Meaning, everyone plays a problematic part. Very little accountability , including from me, on this thread., Manols accountability just makes him even more likeable and safe to me. Note that accountability, though it can feel scary, is less costly than we anticipate. Smac when you have occasionally noted your reactivity and overly dramatic responses I have noted that as well. I have noticed your new book being helpful, though it was juxtaposed by other challenges and seemed to cancel out your efforts on this thread IMO. I don’t feel more connected to you after this thread, and I admit I’m sure you don’t feel connected to me either. I’m afraid my at least monthly experience of boundary crossing from gross or inappropriate men will not allow me to backpedal my big protection plan for life, and I’m not going to lie here and pretend I dont move through the world in a way that requires me to be extremely cautious with every male stranger in the world. And to be mildly cautious with all the rest, particularly in certain circumstances. No exception. Except, like I said, with my brothers and my sons. Im sad it’s that way, for all of us. The world is still somehow a beautiful place- but trust that my experience in the world is vastly different than that of just about any man.

This is so fascinating to me honestly. I take you absolutely as One Who would support the idea that whatever the prophets says, your prayers are going to result in the same message so just listen, follow, and do and it will all work out. You strike me as One Who might even say, “ when the prophet speaks, You now know what to think, so adjust accordingly, no debates needed.” And yet here you are saying that you have never come across this Messaging in the church. That tells me that you seem to have adopted this message organically. That’s remarkable. Unless I misunderstand who you are?

(Perhaps this is already been mentioned, but I’m growing weary of the topic so I’m being lazy.) AI helps, but these statements are very old. But personally, having heard the sentiment over and over throughout the years by local leaders and teachers and comments in Sunday school often enough that I’m part of this conversation today, I would imagine that these original statements have been sticky enough that it’s become part of culture for our church. Maybe not in Smacs ward but ok: Ai: “The most famous is not actually “when the prophet speaks, the thinking is done,” but: “When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done.” “When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy.” — Ward Teachers’ Message, Improvement Era, June 1945, published under the supervision of the Presiding Bishopric. This was an official teaching message for ward teachers, not merely a private opinion piece. It generated controversy at the time. A Unitarian minister, J. Raymond Cope, wrote to Church President George Albert Smith expressing concern. Smith replied that the Church does not expect blind obedience and that members should use their reason and judgment. A later statement is even closer to your wording: “When the prophet speaks, the debate is over.” This phrase was quoted approvingly by N. Eldon Tanner in an August 1979 First Presidency message. He was referencing a statement made by Elaine Cannon at a Church fireside.”

I stand all amazed honestly. Smac if I ever need a lawyer I’m calling you. I had to read this about five times. I think maybe you didn’t intend this.