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  1. Do you remember? The twenty first night of September? Since today is the 21st and tonight is the night, this song is required listening. I posted a link to this song previously (just as a link), but today it needs the full view linking:
  2. This is almost the same exact question asked in this thread (The Savior Ministered to His Other Sheep), so you may want to review some of the answers there. The people in 3 Nephi 11:14-15, by doing what Jesus asked them to do, were becoming eyewitnesses to the bodily resurrection of Jesus in the Americas. This is proven by what Jesus says to them in 3 Nephi 12:2, already quoted by teddyaware above, "more blessed are they who shall believe in your words because that ye shall testify that ye have seen me, and that ye know that I am". In the New Testament the twelve apostles and sev
  3. To those who may not have read the pinned message on the main board, the edit function has been moved to the dot dot dot button [...] in the upper right corner of the post.
  4. Edit isn't working right now, and I can't fix the messed up quote that I tried to make from Maidservant in the prior post. In case someone is trying to figure out what I was responding to, it was this: See above for what I was trying to say to this! Edit: I fixed it now that I know where to find the edit button - but there's a problem with quotes in quotes.
  5. Edit after posting doesn't seem to be working.
  6. I think of the "sons of God" as a people in a covenant with God, and technically the verse says that Satan "came...among" them, and I'm not sure that really implies that Satan is one of the sons of God. This passage and Job 1:6-7 have always intrigued me too, not so much for what the verses say but for what they don't say. Regarding the Job chapter 1 verses (6-7), all of the commentaries that I've ever read on those verses describe this as a "heavenly scene", but that has always bugged me because the text never says that. And I see it is in the context of the prior verse, describing it as a
  7. Yahoo, it works now. It looks way different however.
  8. This isn't an LDS source, but this is a useful site for parallel study of the gospels. You can even pick your preferred translation at the top (I'm linking to the KJV selection): http://www.para-gospel.com/full/kjv1900
  9. Or maybe he used a catapult, but that would be catastrophic if he landed on a catamaran, a caterer, cathedral or a Catholic church. The poor animal would be catatonic.
  10. How does a request to engage all of the evidence and arguments in a book format rather than a cheesy debate qualify as "ignored" or "disrespected"?
  11. Well, I like you, and I felt bad because it seemed to me that I've made some rather harsh responses to some of your posts. I really don't mean it personally.
  12. Of course it's wrong. The article references the mention of apostles in Eph 4:11 as an "active" office, but they didn't read it in the context, which says that the offices of apostles and prophets are to continue in the church until "all come to a unity of the faith" for the very purpose of leading the church so that it's not "tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine". Doesn't that last part sound like modern day Christianity in the lack of such leaders? Here are the verses in context: Eph 4:11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some
  13. Again, this is why I said you'd have to throw out 98% of the New Testament to hold such a view. If Jesus did not set up his church with apostles who held his authority and should be taken seriously, then why did Jesus say (when he was sending out his apostles): "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me." (Matt 10:40). And to his seventy: "He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me." (Luke 10:16) To "hear" one of his apostles or the seventy he s
  14. By "they" do you mean the apostles, since that's what that web site is about? That web site appears to be arguing for the Latter-day Saint definition of apostle (except that one of his "requirements" is misconstrued), not merely a "disciple". What did you have in mind? I'm not sure I understand.
  15. But what you say here really is my point. Generally speaking when someone says they are "Jesus only" it means they don't believe they need to go to a church or believe specific doctrines or follow any appointed leaders, they only need to "believe in Jesus and be saved", period. Nothing else is needed. What you describe above includes (1) living a Christian life (and we need a way to understand what that means), (2) participate in a Christian community [attend a church] and adhere to pastoral leadership (but we also need a way to know how to find the right leadership to follow and what
  16. Human babies are still human even though they haven’t developed to their full potential. Likewise, eternal beings may be called “gods”, but that doesn’t mean they are all the same in their progression. Related to this, I know you know (because it has been discussed before) why it was that Adam and Even were said to be “as God” in the one attribute of God, to “know good and evil” (Genesis 3:22). They became more like God the Father in that one attribute. As for Moses in Exodus 7:1, that’s a totally different application of the word ’ĕlōhîm (god), since Moses was being called to be God
  17. I never personally referenced Psalm 82 (I wouldn’t normally do that), but the early Christians often referred to Psalm 82 and it was referenced in some of the quotes I gave from them in their teaching about men becoming gods and in their teachings saying that other gods exist. As for the Divine Council of Psalm 82:1, that is something that comes up in various places in the Bible narrative and it is recognized by Bible scholars and other faiths, not just Latter-day Saints. Read that Wikipedia article I posted on the Divine Council and it gives some of the references. But you may be conf
  18. In order to embrace the "Jesus only" ideology you pretty much have to reject 98% of the New Testament. Otherwise, what was the point of the apostles writing their epistles and making corrections to false doctrines and keeping order in the church if it is just "Jesus only"? It makes no sense.
  19. I had a bit of climate shock driving from Utah to Arizona on Tuesday. I was totally unprepared for the snow storm that I had to drive through on I-15. Leaving Arizona a week earlier with 115 degree heat, it never even crossed my mind to pack a coat. It was about 33 degrees and near 40 MPH winds when I stopped one time for a brief break. I prefer photographs of snow over the real thing any day.
  20. We are all the spirit children of God. So why does this not sound like the Divine Council?
  21. They are unspecified beings. They are "perfected" though their desire to obey God's laws and by the grace and mercy of God.
  22. I equate it more to the statistics in a given ward for activity and temple recommend holders (although that in and of itself doesn't mean those same people are the ones that the Lord will see as having fruit. But it does indicate which people at least are trying to take the faith seriously). Everyone will have an equal opportunity to receive the seed. A relatively few will have the opportunity to receive it in this life (as you say), but all others will have the opportunity to receive it in the spirit world, between death and the resurrection. Everyone will "find" it, since
  23. The face mask penalty could take on quite a different meaning in this era of football.
  24. How does a person know? The same way God knows: By their fruit. I not sure that a self-assessments would be accurate, because prideful people might make the mistake of thinking they have fruit when they don't, and humble people might be too hard on themselves and have more fruit than they realize. There are several parables in scripture that use fruit as evidence of the application of the gospel in the person's life, and one of my favorites is the parable of the sower (or different kinds of soil) in Matthew 13:3-6 and 18-23. That parable provides reasons as to why some individuals don
  25. Yes. From a statement from the First Presidency, 1912—April—Improvement Era 15:483-485 (April, 1912).
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