Where Are The Protests For The Syrian/iraqi Refugees?

[rodheadlee]

Why are we closing our doors to refugees from Isis? Where are the #SyrianIraqilivesmatter tweets? Why are there Syrian/Iraqi Christian refugees being turned away at our southern border? Are we no longer a nation with Christian values? Do we not believe that Christ has the power to give our lives back if we lose them in service to our fellow humans? Did Christ not say he who seeks to save his life shall lose it? Are we are so focused on our own lives and who is bedding whom not to see these people need help? Has the Holy Spirit vacated the USA and left us to fend for ourselves? I am thoroughly disgusted by the rhetoric flowing from some of our politicians. 

[TheSkepticChristian]

Why are we closing our doors to refugees from Isis?

 

I agree that we shouldn't, and we shouldn't close our doors to illegal immigrants from Mexico and central America either.

Everybody is talking about the Hell in Syria, but nobody talks about the Hell that our neighbors are living.

 

1. 43 Mexican college students were killed by the cartel, and nobody knows that. 

2. France was attacked by ISIS, the First Presidency was quick to issue a statement, but didn't say anthing about the 43 innocent college students.

 

 

Do we not believe that Christ has the power to give our lives back if we lose them in service to our fellow humans?

 

Many people are afraid of the Syrian refugees because they think some of them are terrorists. I don't know why America fears terrorists more than traffic accidents, disease, and pollution. Nobody talks about self-driving cars, medical research, and the environment.

Edited November 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian

[provoman]

"And see that all these things are done in wisdom and order;"

The "greater good", could be said to be an aspect of the gospel for instance "better for one man to perish than a whole nation to dwindle in unbelief".

I am not saying we wholesale turn the needy away. I am saying that we should use "wisdom and order" in caring for the afflicted.

Edited November 22, 2015 by provoman

[GingerRed]

It's fear mainly I think. No one wants to risk some terrorist sneaking in with this group of people, pretending to be a 'refugee'. After what happened in France, its harder to be hospitable. No it's not very Christ-like...but it's understandable. 

 

I also think, from what I've seen on my Facebook posts, a lot of people are upset with not taking care of our own, first. We have our own veterans, our own homeless whose need aren't being met. And we want to add all these refugees to that burden what we already can't seem to handle? That isn't fair.

 

On the other hand, we all know that our GA's want us not to turn away these people in need. I can see their point of view as well. for me, I'm kind of torn. I want to be a good humanitarian, but I also am a little scared too. I guess it boils down to trust in the Holy Ghost to tell us which way to go.

 

 

Red

[rodheadlee]

"And see that all these things are done in wisdom and order;"

The "greater good", could be said to be an aspect of the gospel for instance "better for one man to perish than a whole nation to dwindle in unbelief".

I am not saying we wholesale turn the needy away. I am saying that we should use "wisdom and order" in caring for the afflicted.

I believe we have already dwindled in unbelief as a direct result of our loss of charity or our loss of charity is a direct result of dwindling in unbelief. Which is it? It already takes 3 years to be let in as a refugee without additional regulations.  How can letting refugees in cause us to dwindle in unbelief?

Edited November 22, 2015 by rodheadlee

[rodheadlee]

It's fear mainly I think. No one wants to risk some terrorist sneaking in with this group of people, pretending to be a 'refugee'. After what happened in France, its harder to be hospitable. No it's not very Christ-like...but it's understandable. 

 

I also think, from what I've seen on my Facebook posts, a lot of people are upset with not taking care of our own, first. We have our own veterans, our own homeless whose need aren't being met. And we want to add all these refugees to that burden what we already can't seem to handle? That isn't fair.

 

On the other hand, we all know that our GA's want us not to turn away these people in need. I can see their point of view as well. for me, I'm kind of torn. I want to be a good humanitarian, but I also am a little scared too. I guess it boils down to trust in the Holy Ghost to tell us which way to go.

 

 

Red

Don't be scared our God has the ability to resurrect us. Terrorist can sneak in with a tourist or student visa much easier than as a refugee.

[TheSkepticChristian]

Terrorist can sneak in with a tourist or student visa much easier than as a refugee.

 

not from Syria or Iraq. The FBI said that there is no credible terror threat

 

 

It's fear mainly I think. No one wants to risk some terrorist sneaking in with this group of people, pretending to be a 'refugee'. After what happened in France, its harder to be hospitable. No it's not very Christ-like...but it's understandable.

 

Please read my point

 

 

I don't know why American fears terrorists more than traffic accidents, disease, and pollution. Nobody talks about self-driving cars, medical research, and the environment.

Edited November 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian

[Zakuska]

"And see that all these things are done in wisdom and order;"

The "greater good", could be said to be an aspect of the gospel for instance "better for one man to perish than a whole nation to dwindle in unbelief".

I am not saying we wholesale turn the needy away. I am saying that we should use "wisdom and order" in caring for the afflicted.

Agreed. A wiser course of action would be to cut it off at the root. Dear Leaders need to shoe the wisdom and kutspa to lay ones political promises asside, made to win an election and remove the threat that is causing the issue in the first place. Remove Isis and you wont have any refugees.

[VideoGameJunkie]

On your tithing slips be sure to make donations to Humanitarian Aid.

[provoman]

I believe we have already dwindled in unbelief as a direct result of our loss of charity or our loss of charity is a direct result of dwindling in unbelief. Which is it? It already takes 3 years to be let in as a refugee without additional regulations. How can letting refugees in cause us to dwindle in unbelief?

Dont get hung up on the unbelief. My point is the "greater good" might come into play in dealing with "refugees".

Christ taught about wise stewards. In the Book of Mormon we are told use wisdom and order.

Is it wise to just open borders accept without restraint any and all who ask to enter.

Edited November 22, 2015 by provoman

[Zakuska]

not from Syria or Iraq. The FBI said that there is no credible terror threat

 

Did you listen to the same FBI report the select commity went over as I did. There's no way to do background checks on these people because in a failed goverment... the data doed not exist.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/gowdy-hearing-isis-syria-refugees

[Teancum]

Why are we closing our doors to refugees from Isis? Where are the #SyrianIraqilivesmatter tweets? Why are there Syrian/Iraqi Christian refugees being turned away at our southern border? Are we no longer a nation with Christian values? Do we not believe that Christ has the power to give our lives back if we lose them in service to our fellow humans? Did Christ not say he who seeks to save his life shall lose it? Are we are so focused on our own lives and who is bedding whom not to see these people need help? Has the Holy Spirit vacated the USA and left us to fend for ourselves? I am thoroughly disgusted by the rhetoric flowing from some of our politicians. 

 

 

I rarely agree with you but I agree with you on this one.  What is happening is the politics of fear.  The terrorists win when we operate on fear.  I am happy to welcome those in need into the USA even if there is a small risk some terrorist may sneak in with them.

[Duncan]

First of all EVERYONE who is a North American, someone in their family came here from somewhere else, we don't have to look super far back to find them. Secondly, if we want stricter entry requirements, wouldn't the same Gov't, that they mistrust, be the ones to tighten up the requirements? It's like we want the Gov't when things are bad but we don't want them when things are good, do you trust the Gov't or don't you? you can't have it both ways. Thirdly, I suspect some? most? of the refugees will go home after this thing is over, I mean let's face it who wants to live in Saskatchewan or Nebraska?!

[The Nehor]

I agree that we shouldn't, and we shouldn't close our doors to illegal immigrants from Mexico and central America either.

Everybody is talking about the Hell in Syria, but nobody talks about the Hell that our neighbors are living.

 

1. 43 Mexican college students were killed by the cartel, and nobody knows that. 

2. France was attacked by ISIS, the First Presidency was quick to issue a statement, but didn't say anthing about the 43 innocent college students.

They also did not talk about a guy I know who was killed in a botched theft a few months back. If the First Presidency commented on every horrible thing in the world they would quickly be seen as the gloomiest people on earth.

[The Nehor]

First of all EVERYONE who is a North American, someone in their family came here from somewhere else, we don't have to look super far back to find them. Secondly, if we want stricter entry requirements, wouldn't the same Gov't, that they mistrust, be the ones to tighten up the requirements? It's like we want the Gov't when things are bad but we don't want them when things are good, do you trust the Gov't or don't you? you can't have it both ways. Thirdly, I suspect some? most? of the refugees will go home after this thing is over, I mean let's face it who wants to live in Saskatchewan or Nebraska?!

I liked a story I read about refugees arriving in Finland. Very quickly a lot of them wanted to go back. Harsh......being told ISIS is better then your frigid wasteland.

[The Nehor]

Agreed. A wiser course of action would be to cut it off at the root. Dear Leaders need to shoe the wisdom and kutspa to lay ones political promises asside, made to win an election and remove the threat that is causing the issue in the first place. Remove Isis and you wont have any refugees.

Remove ISIS? Last time our dear leaders had the wisdom and chutzpah to "liquidate" the terrorist threat we created ISIS. Perhaps we should have a little more humility this time.

If it makes you feel any better Putin seems willing to try your plan. Let's see how it goes.....

[Duncan]

I liked a story I read about refugees arriving in Finland. Very quickly a lot of them wanted to go back. Harsh......being told ISIS is better then your frigid wasteland.

 

hopefully by that time ISIS will be yestarday's banana, hence my saying when it's all over, besides of which some poor deluded souls love camping and dare I say winter camping

[ERayR]

Many people are afraid of the Syrian refugees because they think some of them are terrorists. I don't know why America fears terrorists more than traffic accidents, disease, and pollution. Nobody talks about self-driving cars, medical research, and the environment.

 

When some of them come to a concert where you are attending or to restaurant where you are dining or some other place you are at and leave more than 100 dead in their wake, maybe you or some of your family then perhaps you will understand.

[ERayR]

It's fear mainly I think. No one wants to risk some terrorist sneaking in with this group of people, pretending to be a 'refugee'. After what happened in France, its harder to be hospitable. No it's not very Christ-like...but it's understandable. 

 

I also think, from what I've seen on my Facebook posts, a lot of people are upset with not taking care of our own, first. We have our own veterans, our own homeless whose need aren't being met. And we want to add all these refugees to that burden what we already can't seem to handle? That isn't fair.

 

On the other hand, we all know that our GA's want us not to turn away these people in need. I can see their point of view as well. for me, I'm kind of torn. I want to be a good humanitarian, but I also am a little scared too. I guess it boils down to trust in the Holy Ghost to tell us which way to go.

 

 

Red

 

What is unChristlike about being careful?

[Duncan]

What is unChristlike about being careful?

 

do you trust the Government to be careful? they set up the screening process and hired the screeners

[Avatar4321]

I'm all for helping refugees. But I don't see anything wrong with having a process in place to do it prudently.

[ERayR]

do you trust the Government to be careful? they set up the screening process and hired the screeners

 

The statement was No it's not very Christ-like.   Whether I trust the government to be careful is another question.  I just don't think my desire for care is a measure of my Christ like attributes.

[TheSkepticChristian]

Many people are afraid of the Syrian refugees because they think some of them are terrorists. I don't know why America fears terrorists more than traffic accidents, disease, and pollution. Nobody talks about self-driving cars, medical research, and the environment.

 

 

When some of them come to a concert where you are attending or to restaurant where you are dining or some other place you are at and leave more than 100 dead in their wake, maybe you or some of your family then perhaps you will understand.

 

if your entire family (I hope not) experiences a serious car accident you will understand that terrorists are not our biggest problem. I understand that terrorists are a serious problem, but not our biggest problem. Something else is far more likely to kill us.

Edited November 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian

[ERayR]

if your entire family (I hope not) experiences a serious car accident you will understand that terrorists are not our biggest problem. I understand that terrorists are a serious problem, but not our biggest problem. Something else is far more likely to kill us.

 

Automobile accidents are not being neglected. 

[TheSkepticChristian]

What is unChristlike about being careful?o perhaps we

 

 

so perhaps we shouldn't accept any immigrants to the USA at all? If we see someone dying on the streets, should we help him?

What if he is a criminal? What if he has Ebola?

Edited November 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian