Do we live in the telestial kingdom now?

[let’s roll]

On 11/9/2024 at 2:59 PM, california boy said:

It certainly feels like heaven.

I agree.  With the words, likely not with the sentiment.  🙂

Embrace your good times, let them drown out the bad.

Godspeed my friend.

[GoCeltics]

On 11/10/2024 at 2:29 PM, teddyaware said:

Why shouldn’t the elders of this dispensation preach the gospel of repentance to those deceased individuals who lived and died in this dispensation? Perhaps they would be better implored twiddling their spiritual thumbs?

Are the numbers of elders and prophets from the previous dispensations insufficient? 

Edited November 12, 2024 by GoCeltics

[Calm]

13 minutes ago, GoCeltics said:

Are the numbers of elders and prophets from the previous dispensations insufficient? 

The more the merrier.

With enough time even one person could have one to one interactions with 100 billion individuals, but why not speed things up with as many volunteers as possible.  Maybe some will even do better havIng multiple teachers because they need to hear different perspectives.

Edited November 12, 2024 by Calm

[GoCeltics]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:47 AM, Calm said:

The more the merrier.

With enough time even one person could have one to one interactions with 100 billion individuals, but why not speed things up with as many volunteers as possible.  Maybe some will even do better havIng multiple teachers because they need to hear different perspectives.

 Maybe each elder can only preach the gospel to a small group of people in the spirit world.

[teddyaware]

On 11/12/2024 at 11:33 AM, GoCeltics said:

Are the numbers of elders and prophets from the previous dispensations insufficient? 

What’s wrong with the idea of having empowered elders from every dispensation participate in the gloriously rewarding work of bringing the gospel of Christ to the dead? Perhaps they’d be better employed playing harps and singing hymns while floating on clouds? For that matter, what would be the benefit of having only elders from previous dispensations do the missionary work among the dead?

Personally, I find your question a rather odd one. By way of illustrating the shortsightedness your question, why wouldn’t it be a worthwhile idea to have empowered elders teach the gospel to their beloved deceased family members? What greater manifestation of turning the hearts of the fathers to their children, and turning of the hearts of the children to their fathers than by allowing family members to bring the blessings of the gospel to family member who preceded them in death? Think about it…

[GoCeltics]

On 11/15/2024 at 12:56 PM, teddyaware said:

What’s wrong with the idea of having empowered elders from every dispensation participate in the gloriously rewarding work of bringing the gospel of Christ to the dead? Perhaps they’d be better employed playing harps and singing hymns while floating on clouds? For that matter, what would be the benefit of having only elders from previous dispensations do the missionary work among the dead?

Personally, I find your question a rather odd one. By way of illustrating the shortsightedness your question, why wouldn’t it be a worthwhile idea to have empowered elders teach the gospel to their beloved deceased family members? What greater manifestation of turning the hearts of the fathers to their children, and turning of the hearts of the children to their fathers than by allowing family members to bring the blessings of the gospel to family member who preceded them in death? Think about it…

I’m not questioning the purpose but rather the numbers involved. 

Why is it necessary for all the elders and prophets from this dispensation to go into the spirit world to preach the gospel when the saints (also including the elders and prophets) from previous dispensations have already been commissioned by Christ to do so, as outlined in Doctrine and Covenants?  Many of their names are recorded in verses 38-49.

Are there limitations in the spirit world regarding the number of people to whom the gospel can be preached by each evangelist?

[Stargazer]

On 11/8/2024 at 8:04 PM, Calm said:

But the devils even recognize he is Christ, the Son of God, do they not?  And even if they hate the thought, they have to submit to him as Lord.

”And devils also came out of many, crying out and saying, “Thou art Christ, the Son of God!” And He, rebuking them, suffered them not to speak; for they knew that He was Christ.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Luke 4%3A41
 

also

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 8%3A28&version=KJV

Also (the he in these verses is the possessed man, so the demon is doing the bowing…at least according to scripture.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Mark 5%3A6

Sorry about getting this so late. I've been absent from the board.

Yes, the devils recognize him and must obey him. But they know him from the pre-existence, and never had faith. They will also be cast into outer darkness when their task of temptation is finished, and will not see a kingdom of glory.

Those who are resurrected into the Telestial Kingdom will have rejected Christ's atonement, but not in knowledge. So they will have suffered for their own sins, and inherit the lowest kingdom of glory. Thus, at the end their knees will bow and their tongues confess that He is the Christ, because they will have been brought into knowledge by that point -- and will remember their pre-existent lives.

 

[ZealouslyStriving]

On 11/9/2024 at 8:09 AM, MustardSeed said:

The spirit world is here? I was not aware of that. 

Chapter 41: The Postmortal Spirit World

 

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

 

"Where Is the Postmortal Spirit World? Latter-day prophets have said that the spirits of those who have died are not far from us. President Ezra Taft Benson said: “Sometimes the veil between this life and the life beyond becomes very thin. Our loved ones who have passed on are not far from us” (in Conference Report, Apr. 1971, 18; or Ensign, June 1971, 33). President Brigham Young taught that the postmortal spirit world is on the earth, around us (see Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young [1997], 279)."