webbles Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, Sara H said: Apparently the Holy Ghost and the Devil can. My Grandfather would routinely give Priesthood blessings to members who felt as if they were possessed by the Devil or one of his angels. What do you think about this information? Besides the verse in D&C 130 about dwelling, do you know of anything else that mentions the Holy Ghost "possessing" or "entering" our bodies? I haven't found anything but I have found talks and lessons about how the Holy Ghost uses the Light of Christ and His power to "dwell" with us and be with us. So it doesn't seem like He enters our body, unlike evil spirits. 1
Calm Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, jonah747 said: I am not clear on how the Holy Spirit can indwell multiple people at the same time. That would depend on what “indwell” means. Are you aware of any revelations defining this? 1
MustardSeed Posted September 4, 2023 Posted September 4, 2023 54 minutes ago, Sara H said: Apparently the Holy Ghost and the Devil can. My Grandfather would routinely give Priesthood blessings to members who felt as if I’m not sure this is evidence. 2
mfbukowski Posted September 5, 2023 Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) On 8/29/2023 at 6:50 PM, OGHoosier said: I do expect that our Spirit-world education involves experience-sharing with others the way Christ did on Gethsemane. Heartily and enthusiastically agree. "...but then, face to face" I still want also to give you fuller comments on that other article on mathematics- important stuff -possibly by pm, or a link. No sense doing it here. Edited September 5, 2023 by mfbukowski
mfbukowski Posted September 5, 2023 Posted September 5, 2023 On 9/4/2023 at 6:25 AM, jonah747 said: I am not clear on how the Holy Spirit can indwell multiple people at the same time. Zoom on steroids 1
OGHoosier Posted September 5, 2023 Posted September 5, 2023 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Heartily and enthusiastically agree. "...but then, face to face" I still want also to give you fuller comments on that other article on mathematics- important stuff -possibly by pm, or a link. No sense doing it here. Sure thing. I'll probably get around to a response eventually. 1
jonah747 Posted September 6, 2023 Posted September 6, 2023 On 9/4/2023 at 9:54 AM, Sara H said: Apparently the Holy Ghost and the Devil can. My Grandfather would routinely give Priesthood blessings to members who felt as if they were possessed by the Devil or one of his angels. What do you think about this information? Since Joseph Smith taught that all spirit is matter, I assume that the devil and all the others in heaven have a body of some type (maybe even spirit flesh and bone). Or maybe they are not in the image of heavenly parents.
jonah747 Posted September 6, 2023 Posted September 6, 2023 On 9/4/2023 at 10:45 AM, Calm said: That would depend on what “indwell” means. Are you aware of any revelations defining this? Maybe the following from the Book of Mormon: Mosiah 3 [6] And he shall cast out devils, or the evil spirits which dwell in the hearts of the children of men. Alma 18 [35] And a portion of that Spirit dwelleth in me, which giveth me knowledge, and also power according to my faith and desires which are in God. Alma 34 [36] And this I know, because the Lord hath said he dwelleth not in unholy temples, but in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell; Helaman 4 [24] And they saw that they had become weak, like unto their brethren, the Lamanites, and that the Spirit of the Lord did no more preserve them; yea, it had withdrawn from them because the Spirit of the Lord doth not dwell in unholy temples. 1
webbles Posted September 6, 2023 Posted September 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, jonah747 said: Maybe the following from the Book of Mormon: Mosiah 3 [6] And he shall cast out devils, or the evil spirits which dwell in the hearts of the children of men. Alma 18 [35] And a portion of that Spirit dwelleth in me, which giveth me knowledge, and also power according to my faith and desires which are in God. Alma 34 [36] And this I know, because the Lord hath said he dwelleth not in unholy temples, but in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell; Helaman 4 [24] And they saw that they had become weak, like unto their brethren, the Lamanites, and that the Spirit of the Lord did no more preserve them; yea, it had withdrawn from them because the Spirit of the Lord doth not dwell in unholy temples. Just want to point out that "indwell" is different from "dwell". None of those versus say "indwell". 1
jonah747 Posted September 9, 2023 Posted September 9, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 1:02 PM, webbles said: Just want to point out that "indwell" is different from "dwell". None of those versus say "indwell". What allows the evil spirits to dwell in the hearts of the children of men (Mosiah 3:6) but not to indwell them?
webbles Posted September 9, 2023 Posted September 9, 2023 Just now, jonah747 said: What allows the evil spirits to dwell in the hearts of the children of men (Mosiah 3:6) but not to indwell them? I'm not sure what you are asking. It doesn't say indwell.
revelstoked Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 10:50 AM, jonah747 said: Since Joseph Smith taught that all spirit is matter D&C 131:7? Not only is it matter, it is finer and more pure and discernment requires "purer eyes". Are spirit bodies neutrino based or finer than that? Or something off the standard model? (since molecules only exist above the elementary particle level) Being matter doesn't prohibit occupying the same space I'd say, just it's physics we may not understand (yet). 1
jonah747 Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 14 hours ago, revelstoked said: Are spirit bodies neutrino based or finer than that? I don't know.
jonah747 Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) On 9/9/2023 at 12:21 PM, webbles said: I'm not sure what you are asking. It doesn't say indwell. Do you see a difference between an evil spirit indwelling a person's body and dwelling in the body of that person? Edited September 11, 2023 by jonah747
webbles Posted September 11, 2023 Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, jonah747 said: Do you see a difference between an evil spirit indwelling a person's body and dwelling in the body of that person? I guess I see the two words as different words.. The scriptures that you pointed out say "dwell" not "inwdell". Doing a search at https://www.lds-general-conference.org/ for both "indwell" and "indwelt", I found no matches. It doesn't seem to be a word used by the church. I've always seen "indwell" as more of a permanent thing.
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