Bom Geography Theory Survey

[Calm]

Saw this and thought some might be interested:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3admdv/archaeologists-discover-huge-lost-civilization-in-guatemala

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Archaeologists have discovered the ruins of a vast ancient Maya civilization that flourished more than 2,000 years ago in northern Guatemala, reports a new study. This long-lost urban web encompassed nearly 1,000 settlements across 650 square miles, linked by an immense causeway system, which was mapped out with airborne laser instruments, known as LiDAR.

The results of the LiDAR survey “unveiled a remarkable density of Maya sites” in Guatemala’s Mirador-Calakmul Karst Basin (MCKB) that “challenges the old notion of sparse early human occupation” in this area during the “Preclassical” period spanning 1,000 BC to 150 AD, according to a study published this month in the journal Cambridge Core.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ancient-mesoamerica/article/lidar-analyses-in-the-contiguous-miradorcalakmul-karst-basin-guatemala-an-introduction-to-new-perspectives-on-regional-early-maya-socioeconomic-and-political-organization/31075DFA8ADBAA5E7C7320CA6DB93E5E

[mfbukowski]

41 minutes ago, Calm said:

Saw this and thought some might be interested:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3admdv/archaeologists-discover-huge-lost-civilization-in-guatemala

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ancient-mesoamerica/article/lidar-analyses-in-the-contiguous-miradorcalakmul-karst-basin-guatemala-an-introduction-to-new-perspectives-on-regional-early-maya-socioeconomic-and-political-organization/31075DFA8ADBAA5E7C7320CA6DB93E5E

Fabulous news.  I am sure Mark Wright is all over this; his health, I understand is improving and he might be back on the front line of BOM history soon!

One of his theories is that the descendants of Lehi lived among the Maya much as we members live among our own cultures within the larger nation-states to which we belong.

2000 years from now will some archeologist be searching the ruins of " Los Angeles" for Mormon pottery?

That would be an analogy for one of his theories.  Obviously as a subgroup living in a much larger civilization, the members of one religion will not stand out well  archeologicaly as their own culture.

So Mayan culture might well include Nephite culture 

[Calm]

5 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

I am sure Mark Wright is all over this; his health, I understand is improving

Great news

[Calm]

6 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Obviously as a subgroup living in a much larger civilization, the members of one religion will not stand out well  archeologicaly as their own culture.

Modern times are likely a bit different though given cheap mass productions allows for more culture identity items in more homes…plus the unfortunate longevity of plastics.  While the temple ornaments made out of metal and Greg Olsen’s more uniquely LDS pictures (Olsen was the number one Christian artist in Canada in the early 2000’s fyi) may have disintegrated, I fear they may find traces of the Moroni tree topper https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/angel-moroni-statue-christmas-tree-topper-lds-4 or Nephi and his family and other BoM action figures https://deseretbook.com/p/action-figure-three-nephites-q6? .

[ksfisher]

14 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

So Mayan culture might well include Nephite culture 

I believe that someone like John Sorenson or Brandt Gardner would say that the original landing area as well as the land of Nephi was within the Mayan cultural area.  But the Zarahemla area was part of the Mixe-Zoque language area.

[ksfisher]

1 minute ago, Albert Tong said:

You Meso-types don’t get it. You're seriously clueless, aren’t you?

You really need to help Santa this year, to deliver his toys to the children of Zarahemla.

 

https://tinyurl.com/LEHills1918book

I forget the name you posted under previously, but weren't you banned?

[Calm]

14 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

I forget the name you posted under previously, but weren't you banned?

He posted under several. 

[blackstrap]

If Lehi's family just melted into the existing peoples, what was it about them that ,over centuries , kept them in the political and military positions of power ? 

[ksfisher]

50 minutes ago, blackstrap said:

If Lehi's family just melted into the existing peoples, what was it about them that ,over centuries , kept them in the political and military positions of power ? 

They seemed to have established themselves, both in the Land of Nephi as well as later in Zarahemla, as a ruling family and were able to hold onto that.

Being culturally assimilated doesn't necessarily mean that a family or group looses it's political power. 

[mfbukowski]

4 hours ago, ksfisher said:

I believe that someone like John Sorenson or Brandt Gardner would say that the original landing area as well as the land of Nephi was within the Mayan cultural area.  But the Zarahemla area was part of the Mixe-Zoque language area.

Thanks.  I am the last guy you ask about BOM history

I don't believe it's necessary! 

 

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, ksfisher said:

They seemed to have established themselves, both in the Land of Nephi as well as later in Zarahemla, as a ruling family and were able to hold onto that.

Being culturally assimilated doesn't necessarily mean that a family or group looses it's political power. 

Like ALL royal families! Look at the Hapsburgs!  And that Charlie fella  who just became king of England.  Just maybe he's got some relatives who aren't English?

https://www.unofficialroyalty.com/ancestors-of-prince-charles-prince-of-wales/

 

 

Edited December 22, 2022 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

5 hours ago, ksfisher said:

 

Oops, wrong poster sorry for the snark

 

 

Edited December 23, 2022 by mfbukowski