Chum Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 On 5/26/2022 at 9:00 PM, The Nehor said: And I bet everyone (including me) has a strong opinion on which of the two is worse to overemphasize. Complicated for me is that my most critical+valuable period of growth happened when me and the Church were the most distant. It's is likely it could only have happened that way.
manol Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, mfbukowski said: Assume nothing. Get a testimony My paradigm used to be that a “testimony” was something one “got” as a result of one or more spiritual experiences or events, and from that point on these testimony events, and the implied belief package, were what steered one's evaluation of subsequent events and information and impressions. And so for many years I had my own collection of spiritual experiences and events which were the basis for my belief package, and that essentially constituted my “testimony”. My paradigm has shifted, and is now more in line with something you wrote above: “I BELIEVE we all have our own true paths that differ.” And speaking only for myself here, at this time my path seems to include an evolving testimony rather than a fixed one. To me this appears to take the form of “greater light and knowledge” showing up. But I do not presume my path to be the "true path" for anyone else. One of the things I notice on this site is people who seem to have “different testimonies” (to borrow your term), and who am I to judge them or their testimonies, if we do indeed “all have our own true paths that differ”? Edited June 4, 2022 by manol 3
mfbukowski Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 4 hours ago, manol said: My paradigm used to be that a “testimony” was something one “got” as a result of one or more spiritual experiences or events, and from that point on these testimony events, and the implied belief package, were what steered one's evaluation of subsequent events and information and impressions. And so for many years I had my own collection of spiritual experiences and events which were the basis for my belief package, and that essentially constituted my “testimony”. My paradigm has shifted, and is now more in line with something you wrote above: “I BELIEVE we all have our own true paths that differ.” And speaking only for myself here, at this time my path seems to include an evolving testimony rather than a fixed one. To me this appears to take the form of “greater light and knowledge” showing up. But I do not presume my path to be the "true path" for anyone else. One of the things I notice on this site is people who seem to have “different testimonies” (to borrow your term), and who am I to judge them or their testimonies, if we do indeed “all have our own true paths that differ”? You're assuming there is one path for all of us, again, but like the route you would take from your house to get to Dodger Stadium, as opposed to me getting to the same destination from my house, the routes would be quite different. The routes all have to be different because we all start from different places
manol Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: You're assuming there is one path for all of us, again, but... Where did I say that even once, let alone "again"? Edited June 4, 2022 by manol 1
mfbukowski Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 8 hours ago, manol said: Where did I say that even once, let alone "again"? Misunderstanding. I stand corrected. 1
marineland Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 17 hours ago, manol said: And speaking only for myself here, at this time my path seems to include an evolving testimony rather than a fixed one. One important testimony to have is the testimony of God about himself. Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me (Isaiah 43:10). 1
InCognitus Posted June 4, 2022 Posted June 4, 2022 3 hours ago, marineland said: One important testimony to have is the testimony of God about himself. Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me (Isaiah 43:10). Yes indeed. The one and only God of Israel, there is no other. And no other being can become the God of Israel, not before he declared himself to Israel, neither after that time. Yet, this should not be misconstrued to imply that no other gods exist or that humans cannot become gods through salvation in Jesus Christ, because God is the "God is God of gods, and Lord of lords," (Duet 10:17) 1
marineland Posted June 5, 2022 Posted June 5, 2022 17 hours ago, InCognitus said: Yet, this should not be misconstrued to imply that no other gods exist or that humans cannot become gods through salvation in Jesus Christ, because God is the "God is God of gods, and Lord of lords," (Duet 10:17) Psalm 82:6 says "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High". Who are those gods and what is the setting?
InCognitus Posted June 5, 2022 Posted June 5, 2022 34 minutes ago, marineland said: Psalm 82:6 says "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High". Who are those gods and what is the setting? See these posts: https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/73842-missing-gospel-topics-essay/?do=findComment&comment=1210042843 https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/73842-missing-gospel-topics-essay/?do=findComment&comment=1210042845 And: 1
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