Duncan Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 My Mom's Great Aunt had a child over a hundred years ago now but there was no man in the picture after the child was born.............so anyways what do you do with sealing the son to the mother? At this stage of the game finding out who the father was is not a possibility, even if we did figure it out they were never married or anything. Is there a way to seal the son to the mother?
bluebell Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Duncan said: My Mom's Great Aunt had a child over a hundred years ago now but there was no man in the picture after the child was born.............so anyways what do you do with sealing the son to the mother? At this stage of the game finding out who the father was is not a possibility, even if we did figure it out they were never married or anything. Is there a way to seal the son to the mother? Has she been sealed to someone? If she was never married and cannot be sealed to anyone then I don't believe there is currently anyway for her son to be sealed to her. If she was married and has been sealed then there could be some room to figure out a way to get it done, but it seems like going directly to the temple presidency (or asking the experts on family search) would be the best way to figure out how. I have no experience with it myself. 1
Duncan Posted March 21, 2022 Author Posted March 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, bluebell said: Has she been sealed to someone? If she was never married and cannot be sealed to anyone then I don't believe there is currently anyway for her son to be sealed to her. If she was married and has been sealed then there could be some room to figure out a way to get it done, but it seems like going directly to the temple presidency (or asking the experts on family search) would be the best way to figure out how. I have no experience with it myself. she never married and apparently was alone with her son to upbring. I figure though this type of situation there has to be thousands of people that one parent is unknown and no marriage date or unknown marriage and I wonder what happens for sealings 1
bluebell Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Duncan said: she never married and apparently was alone with her son to upbring. I figure though this type of situation there has to be thousands of people that one parent is unknown and no marriage date or unknown marriage and I wonder what happens for sealings I would still talk to the temple presidency to make sure, but I thinking this is one of those things that will have to be taken care of during the millenium. 3
rpn Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 You wait until you do know the info. (And depending on when it was, if you can afford it, you can pay for dna to figure it out.) 2
katherine the great Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 On 3/21/2022 at 11:19 AM, Duncan said: My Mom's Great Aunt had a child over a hundred years ago now but there was no man in the picture after the child was born.............so anyways what do you do with sealing the son to the mother? At this stage of the game finding out who the father was is not a possibility, even if we did figure it out they were never married or anything. Is there a way to seal the son to the mother? . Probably not for now. I have some ancestors who were “ illegitimate” (I hate that term). Someone came up with an interesting solution by making up a spouse for the mother, entering it into Ancestry and overtime people did the temple work and now those children are sealed to a fictitious father but they are also sealed to their legitimate mother. I have no idea who made up the fictitious father but it’s clear the kids were illegitimate because they were listed that way on the town records. This was in Massachusetts in the early 1800s. Note: I don’t recommend that course but I’m sure that church records are full of such mistakes. 2
Duncan Posted March 23, 2022 Author Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, katherine the great said: Probably not for now. I have some ancestors who were “ illegitimate” (I hate that term). Someone came up with an interesting solution by making up a spouse for the mother, entering it into Ancestry and overtime people did the temple work and now those children are sealed to a fictitious father but they are also sealed to their legitimate mother. I have no idea who made up the fictitious father but it’s clear the kids were illegitimate because they were listed that way on the town records. This was in Massachusetts in the early 1800s. Note: I don’t recommend that course but I’m sure that church records are full of such mistakes. yeah, I think I have seen some of that. I suspect in the next life there will be a ton of rearranging of families and sealings and whatnot 2
Calm Posted March 23, 2022 Posted March 23, 2022 30 minutes ago, katherine the great said: I have no idea who made up the fictitious father but it’s clear the kids were illegitimate because they were listed that way on the town records. This was in Massachusetts in the early 1800s. Note: I don’t recommend that course but I’m sure that church records are full of such mistakes. We make a general assumption that everyone wants to be sealed to their spouse, children, or parents when they might not want that at all, all sealings being assumed to only be valid if they are the right ones and the people want them to happen. Making another assumption there is a man somewhere who wants to be the husband and father of this woman and her children and therefore creating what amounts to a placeholder identity seems a reasonable approach given our other acceptable methods of dealing with less than needed info (I have a ton of Mrs Ancestor ‘names’ in my pedigree when there is no info about the wife/mother besides the fact she existed, if that…in some cases it could simply be assumed there was a marriage or that all the father’s children are from the same mother, though perhaps the rules on this being acceptable has changed). 1
katherine the great Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Calm said: We make a general assumption that everyone wants to be sealed to their spouse, children, or parents when they might not want that at all, all sealings being assumed to only be valid if they are the right ones and the people want them to happen. Making another assumption there is a man somewhere who wants to be the husband and father of this woman and her children and therefore creating what amounts to a placeholder identity seems a reasonable approach given our other acceptable methods of dealing with less than needed info (I have a ton of Mrs Ancestor ‘names’ in my pedigree when there is no info about the wife/mother besides the fact she existed, if that…in some cases it could simply be assumed there was a marriage or that all the father’s children are from the same mother, though perhaps the rules on this being acceptable has changed). This particular woman was my (I think) third great grandmother. She had seven “ illegitimate“ children who all grew to adulthood, married into respectable “old” families and lived religious New England lives. This happened in Fall River Massachusetts. The only scenario I can think of that could explain all of that is that she was the mistress of a wealthy married man who took care of her and the children but could not legally acknowledge them. Three of them listed their father’s first name as “Joseph” on various legal documents so I suspect they all had the same father. Probably one of those things that people just turned a blind eye to in those days.
Calm Posted March 24, 2022 Posted March 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, katherine the great said: This particular woman was my (I think) third great grandmother. She had seven “ illegitimate“ children who all grew to adulthood, married into respectable “old” families and lived religious New England lives. This happened in Fall River Massachusetts. The only scenario I can think of that could explain all of that is that she was the mistress of a wealthy married man who took care of her and the children but could not legally acknowledge them. Three of them listed their father’s first name as “Joseph” on various legal documents so I suspect they all had the same father. Probably one of those things that people just turned a blind eye to in those days. In that case it makes sense to seal to “Joseph” since we are allowing polygamous sealings.
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