Update on Masterpiece Cake Shop Case

[Bob Crockett]

1 hour ago, juliann said:

So....who? 

I'll watch for you at the FAIR conference. 

I have a ticket but I'm not sure.

Bill Reel.  

[juliann]

6 minutes ago, Bob Crockett said:

I have a ticket but I'm not sure.

Bill Reel.  

What makes you think it is him? 

[Calm]

4 hours ago, juliann said:

Not only that, I had this guy on ignore. I haven't said one word to him, although he tried hard enough....which I suspect makes him more angry than if I did respond. Can't win.

Ignoring someone is abusive.  Neglect and all. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by Calm

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Bob Crockett said:

Don't let them cut you!  My 50-year-old office manager had back surgery after I warned her not to do it.  [We had the same doctor; he recommended surgery to me and I fired him.]  This was several months ago and I don't think she is ever coming back.   One of my lawyers recommended to me that she take THC to get off the harder stuff.  Cortisone never worked for me.  I just live with it, but my problem is higher up the spine.

Yeah, back surgery is definitely not in my list at this point. Know too many it went wrong on. I might allow the nerve to be cut in my feet eventually as if I could walk longer than 15 minutes, back pain goes way down.  But will try a few more doctors to see if they can come up with a better approach and I just don’t feel good about that at this point so long shot.

 I am finding the cannabis does help me use a bit less, but I am quite low already and there aren’t any other drugs that work for the RLS.  I just wake up really sick as if it makes withdrawal actually worse. I need to find a good community of experienced users for medical reasons to give me some advice.  
 

My husband retires in a few years, we might be able to make it a daily routine to hit the warm therapy pool and weight lifting. When I can keep at that, it makes a huge difference. I get too easily distracted by crises and sacrifice self care first…idiotic, but childhood programming that I haven’t been able to shake yet.  

What I really need is a ‘mother’ who makes me the center of their life for a few years until I am in great shape and have enough reserve a misstep or few weeks illness doesn’t send me back to square one. If you know one looking for a 60 year old kid to obsess about who is a great cook and nagger, let me know. 

[Bob Crockett]

5 hours ago, juliann said:

What makes you think it is him? 

1.  Same misunderstanding and frequent use of "your" rather than "you're."

2.  Oddball capitalizations of some words.

3 . Rather odd self-promotion.  The one that strikes me is where he explained, without regard to the thread, how he rescued somebody from drug addiction where it is apparent he has no clue of the issues involved.

4.  Atlantic Mike is a roofing contractor.  Bill Reel sits on his rear end in a pawn shop all day with a laptop open.  Who is more likely going to make semi-longwinded posts all day?

5.  On occasion I've seen him comment upon the number of hits and replies he has received for one of his threads he initiated.  And he initiates threads, unlike the vast majority of us.  Who cares about that stuff, but Bill Reel did.

6.  Some (or a few) of the same hot issues; pretending to be a good saint but raising the same sort of simpleton issues.  I don't really dispute the right of anybody to troll.  But this sort of gives him away,

Edited July 6, 2021 by Bob Crockett

[Calm]

3 minutes ago, Bob Crockett said:

Atlantic Mike is a roofing contractor

I have been trying hard to respect moderators telling us to get back on topic, but giving into temptation here (maybe I will report myself as I haven’t reported anyone all day and it is making me depressed  ).

AM is a tough guy who hangs around with tough guys including a number of ex convicts according to some of his stories…and yet he gets taken out/goes into meltdown by a few hard knocks from a couple of “mean” and “cruel” housewives whose language runs to the extremes of “creep” and “jerk”.  Remarkably thin skin given his alleged companions.
 

I can’t get the image out of my head of a boxing ring with this big guy dancing around a 5’4’ 60 plus semi silver haired pudgy grandma who is staggering around trying just to keep her balance and in the next picture, he is flat on his back and the ref is holding her arm up in victory and the commentator is going “once again, the all time champion pulls off a total knockout, the underdog at 6’3 and 210 lbs never stood a chance”.  And the 70 year old grandma waiting in the locker room is whining she never even got a chance to throw a punch this time. 😛 

[Bob Crockett]

20 minutes ago, Calm said:

I have been trying hard to respect moderators telling us to get back on topic, but giving into temptation here (maybe I will report myself as I haven’t reported anyone all day and it is making me depressed  ).

AM is a tough guy who hangs around with tough guys including a number of ex convicts according to some of his stories…and yet he gets taken out/goes into meltdown by a few hard knocks from a couple of “mean” and “cruel” housewives whose language runs to the extremes of “creep” and “jerk”.  Remarkably thin skin given his alleged companions.
 

I can’t get the image out of my head of a boxing ring with this big guy dancing around a 5’4’ 60 plus semi silver haired pudgy grandma who is staggering around trying just to keep her balance and in the next picture, he is flat on his back and the ref is holding her arm up in victory and the commentator is going “once again, the all time champion pulls off a total knockout, the underdog at 6’3 and 210 lbs never stood a chance”.  And the 70 year old grandma waiting in the locker room is whining she never even got a chance to throw a punch this time. 😛 

Don't you remember how thin-skinned Bill was?  One day I saw him on another board mentioning that he had a high IQ.  Like 165 or something.  I asked him here how he got that number.  He said he had done an on-line IQ test.  I really roiled him over that; he reported me and I was threadbanned.

But I really respect the fear of Julianne and/or Calm chainsawing my legs off.  I sympathize with Atlantic on that one.  Grandmas sure. (I'm a grandpa with lots of grandkids.) Do your grandchildren run screaming into the street when you show up?

Edited July 6, 2021 by Bob Crockett

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Bob Crockett said:

Do your grandchildren run screaming into the street when you show up?

They don’t dare…

Were you the one that called Reel on using his Bishop status?  I had forgotten the IQ, but remember that…but memory isn’t 100% trustworthy these days (but at least 75%).

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Who cares about that stuff, but Bill Reel did.

Good point. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by Calm

[Vanguard]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

I have been trying hard to respect moderators telling us to get back on topic, but giving into temptation here (maybe I will report myself as I haven’t reported anyone all day and it is making me depressed  ).

AM is a tough guy who hangs around with tough guys including a number of ex convicts according to some of his stories…and yet he gets taken out/goes into meltdown by a few hard knocks from a couple of “mean” and “cruel” housewives whose language runs to the extremes of “creep” and “jerk”.  Remarkably thin skin given his alleged companions.
 

I can’t get the image out of my head of a boxing ring with this big guy dancing around a 5’4’ 60 plus semi silver haired pudgy grandma who is staggering around trying just to keep her balance and in the next picture, he is flat on his back and the ref is holding her arm up in victory and the commentator is going “once again, the all time champion pulls off a total knockout, the underdog at 6’3 and 210 lbs never stood a chance”.  And the 70 year old grandma waiting in the locker room is whining she never even got a chance to throw a punch this time. 😛 

I had several PMs with him over the past few months. I did not see him at all in this way. In fact, he many times made it clear he wanted to bear no ill will against anyone. I also don't believe he was masking his real identity. He was too engaged and human to me. While I agree he had an edge to him, I welcomed his opinion on many occasions. There was a refreshing element about it though I didn't always agree (I was not in agreement with him on the transgender issue). I am sad this has happened. He was a good, well-intentioned man. If someone didn't like his take on things or if he were viewed simply as a troll, all that had to be done was to ignore him - you know, extinguish the behavior by not giving it attention and all that. His dismissal I find as very disheartening and a big loss. : (

[Calm]

20 minutes ago, Vanguard said:

In fact, he many times made it clear he wanted to bear no ill will against anyone.

He said a lot of things, but he often actually did very different things. By the end of it, I was ignoring his claims about how he felt about something and seeing instead how he treated them or the topic. 
 

I am still up in the air about if he was a sock puppet or for real. Even with Bob’s points of similarities I don’t believe he was Bill Reel.  I always treated him in my responses as real…might have been less insistent on some points if I assumed he was a fake. My label of troll meant he was intentionally trying to ramp things up, not that he wasn’t who he said he was. His stories though were a bit too on the spot for me after the first half dozen or so, but that could have been a result of natural bias pushing perception.

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extinguish the behavior

That might work for chickens and dogs (not sure about the last as my dog so far is still barking inappropriately and begging for scraps while never getting them), but humans are very good at creating rewards for themselves and seeing attention given when there is none (think stalkers who see hidden messages to them from people who don’t even know they exist).

PS: unless more recent studies have been done, not a lot of good evidence supporting some of behaviourism’s theory. My last psych class was an postgrad class examining the fundamental assumptions of the main threads of psychology…nothing had a truly solid foundation, most was pure speculation. Certain foundational studies were fundamentally flawed and possibly even forged. 
 

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication

Edited July 7, 2021 by Calm

[Vanguard]

12 minutes ago, Calm said:

He said a lot of things, but he often actually did very different things. By the end of it, I was ignoring his claims about how he felt about something and seeing instead how he treated them or the topic. 
 

I am still up in the air about if he was a sock puppet or for real. Even with Bob’s points of similarities I don’t believe he was Bill Reel.  I always treated him in my responses as real…might have been less insistent on some points if I assumed he was a fake. My label of troll meant he was intentionally trying to ramp things up, not that he wasn’t who he said he was. His stories though were a bit too on the spot for me after the first half dozen or so, but that could have been a result of natural bias pushing perception.

That might work for chickens and dogs (not sure about the last as my dog so far is still barking inappropriately and begging for scraps while never getting them), but humans are very good at creating rewards for themselves and seeing attention given when there is none (think stalkers who see hidden messages to them from people who don’t even know they exist).

Fair enough. I believe what may be viewed as his more egregious posts came mostly as a result of a series of 'back and forths' that would not have happened had the other poster(s) not engaged in the tango. 

[Raingirl]

12 minutes ago, Vanguard said:

Fair enough. I believe what may be viewed as his more egregious posts came mostly as a result of a series of 'back and forths' that would not have happened had the other poster(s) not engaged in the tango. 

So you’re blaming the women for AM’s choices to name-call and belittle other posters. Not to mention his choices of misogynistic behavior.  The poor little man. The big mean women forced him to be a jerk. 🙄

[Vanguard]

8 minutes ago, Raingirl said:

So you’re blaming the women for AM’s choices to name-call and belittle other posters. Not to mention his choices of misogynistic behavior.  The poor little man. The big mean women forced him to be a jerk. 🙄

What are you thoughts about the name calling at him?

[Raingirl]

2 minutes ago, Vanguard said:

What are you thoughts about the name calling at him?

Still trying to blame others for his choices, I see. 
 

I don’t see anyone else in this thread blaming others for their own choices. I 

[Vanguard]

Just now, Raingirl said:

Still trying to blame others for his choices, I see. 
 

I don’t see anyone else in this thread blaming others for their own choices. I 

It's a simple question, Raingirl. He was belittled continuously and name-called much like you would argue he also did. I was just curious if your disdain for such behavior went both ways. I get it if you don't want to admit as much. : (

[Raingirl]

19 minutes ago, Vanguard said:

It's a simple question, Raingirl. He was belittled continuously and name-called much like you would argue he also did. I was just curious if your disdain for such behavior went both ways. I get it if you don't want to admit as much. : (

Is that you, Mike?

I answered your question. Not my problem if you can’t comprehend/don’t like the answer. 
 

I don’t understand defending misogynistic behavior any more than the behavior itself. Nor do I respect those that blame everyone but themselves for their own choices.

At least two of us had him on ignore for months  - while having barely engaged him prior to that - and yet he nursed a grudge and kept a list, just so he could attack people months later. But, hey, it’s all the women’s fault. 
 

I don’t like to derail threads, and I don’t like to indulge misogyny (call it out, yes) so there will be no more of this discussion from me. 

[Bob Crockett]

2 hours ago, Vanguard said:

I had several PMs with him over the past few months. 

While I agree he had an edge to him, I welcomed his opinion on many occasions. 

Bill Reel was an excessive PMr.  He would PM me constantly at the same time he was reporting me. 

Bill Reel's issues on this board were simpleton issues. No deep thoughts.  AM is the same.  

[Vanguard]

15 minutes ago, Bob Crockett said:

Bill Reel was an excessive PMr.  He would PM me constantly at the same time he was reporting me. 

Bill Reel's issues on this board were simpleton issues. No deep thoughts.  AM is the same.  

Actually it was me reaching out to him. And he was still above board about those he disagreed with.

[Bob Crockett]

7 hours ago, Vanguard said:

Actually it was me reaching out to him. And he was still above board about those he disagreed with.

I guess I'm wrong.  Never mind.

[smac97]

Perhaps we could ease up on the personal commentary on AM and get back to the topic...

Thanks,

-Smac

[juliann]

15 hours ago, Vanguard said:

It's a simple question, Raingirl. He was belittled continuously and name-called much like you would argue he also did. I was just curious if your disdain for such behavior went both ways. I get it if you don't want to admit as much. : (

You remlind me of this, from Man Who Has It All, (a site that illuminates sexism by turning the tables.)