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Urim and THummim D&C 17:1 theories?


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Looking for any comments on verse 1.

Heard from a friend this theory:

1. Brother of Jared - of the 16 sacred stones, 2 were placed in his barge. Those were passed down to succeeding spiritual leaders, prophets

2. Ether or some prophet between him and the Bro of Jared - fixed those two stones in the Urim and THummim. This wasn't mentioned in the BoM because the stones were (and are) sacred.

3. Mosiah uses those to translate the 24 Jaredite plates and passed down the sacred records and Urim and THummim to succeeding spiritual leaders, prophets

4. Moroni carried the U&T to Palmyra, NY*

5. Moroni revealed the plates, liahona, U&T, etc. to Joseph Smith

* I think there were two Cumorah's but I'm not an expert at really much of anything, so...

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I think the mention of the breastplate, the fact that the interpreters could be attached to it, and the two stones were linked together with a bow would make it unlikely for them to have been part of the sixteen stones.  Those stones shone very brightly so the Jaredites would have put them into a pot at bedtime.  Also, each barge had two stones but they most likely would have been placed at either end so the lighting would be more evenly distributed.  But when Joseph Smith possessed the interpreters, they were very dim to the point he had to put them into a hat to shut out daylight so he could discern the glow.

Don Bradley was able to obtain quite a bit of information about the U&T in his book "The Lost 116 Pages".  They were too large to have been used as spectacles.  He said the two stones were joined together with a hinge, each stone had a triangle inscribed within the circle.  When the two stones were swung together, the triangles formed the image of the "Star of David".

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16 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

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1. Brother of Jared - of the 16 sacred stones, 2 were placed in his barge. Those were passed down to succeeding spiritual leaders, prophets

Ether 3:22-28 discusses the purpose of the 2 stones, which were sealed up with the records, and have nothing to do with the stones used to light the barges.

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2. Ether or some prophet between him and the Bro of Jared - fixed those two stones in the Urim and THummim. This wasn't mentioned in the BoM because the stones were (and are) sacred.

There is no Urim and Thummim in the BofM.  The 2 stones are called interpreters and directors.  Mosiah 28:13 describes how they looked:  "... those two stones ... were fastened into the two rims of a bow."

Only in 1833 does W. Phelps introduce the term Urim and Thummim and it continues to be misused by everyone.

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3. Mosiah uses those to translate the 24 Jaredite plates..........................

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Mosiah or Benjamin (Mosiah 21:28) translated the 24 plates of Ether.  The Printer's Manuscript of the BofM reads "Benjamin," while the 1981 edition reads "Mosiah."

Since the Interpreters are originally two stones molten from rock (Ether 3:1-6,22-24,28, 4:5), it might be well to note the recent development of solid state batteries, using solid glass electrolytes.[1]


[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0nA8CfxBqA  (Joe Scott, Nov 18, 2019).

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14 minutes ago, theplains said:

Search for Cumorah in the 1928 General Conference talk.  It does a very good job at
showing what the church was teaching to its members.

Just to be clear, when someone talks in a session of a Church conference, the person doing the talking is the one talking, not the whole Church.  Even if someone publishes all of the talking done at all of the sessions of a Church conference and puts a stamp or writes out the words saying the publication was is published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in general, each "talk" given during each and all of the sessions was given by the person who did the talking, and not the whole Church.

Some people don't seem to understand that, thinking it is possible for all of those speakers to be speaking for the whole Church, in general, as representative of all of the members, and that just ain't the way it is.  It just doesn't work that way.

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