Pope Francis accused of Heresy.

[Wade Englund]

23 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

Q?

Or bakers? I won't tell.   [hint: count the number of letters in my reply]

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited May 3, 2019 by Wade Englund

[ALarson]

42 minutes ago, Wade Englund said:

The reason I believe this may be significant, is that homosexuals, and homosexuality, are also being used by the Left to try and take down other Christian faiths, including my own--as made daily evident on this board no less, though completely ignoring the Muslim religion (for reasons that may be obvious),  with the intent of destroying the foundation and fabric of Western civilization and ultimately Western civilization itself.

Sadly, the homosexuals and their well-intended supporters, are under the impression that they are doing a great and wonderful and virtuous work, not realizing they , like other minority or so-called oppressed groups, are being played by communists/socialists for other purposes.

Wow.  You've got quite the imagination regarding this topic.  What are those "other purposes", in your opinion?

You are also giving homosexuals and their supporters a lot of power and influence (or you believe they possess such).  How about they are just well-intentioned people who want to live and be treated as equals?  They deserve that, IMO and I'm happy to see the progress being made both within the church and without.  

(I do believe there are some radical groups and they may be after what you're accusing "the homosexuals" and their supporters of doing....but for the most part, from what I've seen....the great majority are not doing what you state above.)

Edited May 3, 2019 by ALarson

[Storm Rider]

1 hour ago, ALarson said:

Wow.  You've got quite the imagination regarding this topic.  What are those "other purposes", in your opinion?

You are also giving homosexuals and their supporters a lot of power and influence (or you believe they possess such).  How about they are just well-intentioned people who want to live and be treated as equals?  They deserve that, IMO and I'm happy to see the progress being made both within the church and without.  

(I do believe there are some radical groups and they may be after what you're accusing "the homosexuals" and their supporters of doing....but for the most part, from what I've seen....the great majority are not doing what you state above.)

Of course, when you bring up this equality issue then things fall apart for me. When society chooses sacred cows then equality goes out the window in the rush to "protect" the new chosen segment. 

We don't watch TV anymore and we seldom go to movies either. However, when the occasion that my wife and I do see either one, we are both a little shocked that everything pushes the wonderful gay person in love, falling in love, getting married or married. In old westerns there were always wonderful character actors that added to the script. Seems like today the character actors role has been supplanted by the gay character and pushing that specific social agenda. 

[Wade Englund]

1 hour ago, ALarson said:

Wow.  You've got quite the imagination regarding this topic.  What are those "other purposes", in your opinion?

Global socialism.

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You are also giving homosexuals and their supporters a lot of power and influence (or you believe they possess such). 

I don't personally give them any power in my own life and mind. Rather, it is the media, and their useful followers, that have given them considerable power.

Besides, as indicated, they are just one of several useful, though expendable cogs in the machine. I say "expendable" because the gay movement has essentially served its purpose within leftist popular culture, and is slowly and ironically being displaced and marginalized,  by the Left, with more presently useful groups such as  Muslims and transgenders.

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How about they are just well-intentioned people who want to live and be treated as equals? They deserve that, IMO and I'm happy to see the progress being made both within the church and without.  

I already granted the good intentions of many, if not most homosexuals and supporters. However, it is the warped notion of equality and "progress" that is precisely the lever by which they are being unwittingly manipulated by the Left..

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(I do believe there are some radical groups and they may be after what you're accusing "the homosexuals" and their supporters of doing....but for the most part, from what I've seen....the great majority are not doing what you state above.)

I have been engaged (passively at first, and later more actively) in public discourse on the homosexual movement since 1968 (prompted in part by having been disturbingly propositioned by homosexuals twice as a minor, and also put off by objectionable taunts against homosexual classmates).  

It may surprise you to learn that, as a budding quasi-libertarian,  I was in favor of the movement's initial stance --i.e getting the government out of homosexual bedrooms.

However, as I began to learn more about the movements charter (several Gay Manifestos--see HERE and HERE--have since been downplayed because of their highly offensive rhetoric and objectives),  and discovered that several of the key leaders went on to form various p***phile organizations, and how those organizations were welcomed into gay pride events (that is until the Lesbian leadership put the nix on that),  and that their ultimate objective was to broaden the ***ualization  of society (they were a huge component in the "free-***" movement), and to destroy so-called patriarchal institutions such as traditional families (they were united with militant feminist on this issue), that I began understandably to turn against the movement--since it was against things that I held dear.

So,  at least in this respect, I am not so much a conspiracy theorist as I am an observer of what actually was going on and has since been swept under the cultural/political rug.

People don't have to take my word for it. The blueprint or road map for the movement,  if not the end game, is spelled out in the movements handbooks--, " The Overhauling of Straight America" and the followup book,  " After the Ball..."

Where things do get a bit murky and conspiratorial is my belief that the movement is just a pawn of the socialist movement. And, I am fine with that.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited May 3, 2019 by Wade Englund

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Wade Englund said:

The reason I believe this may be significant, is that homosexuals, and homosexuality, are also being used by the Left to try and take down other Christian faiths, including my own--as made daily evident on this board no less, though completely ignoring the Muslim religion (for reasons that may be obvious),  with the intent of destroying the foundation and fabric of Western civilization and ultimately Western civilization itself.

Sadly, the homosexuals and their well-intended supporters, are under the impression that they are doing a great and wonderful and virtuous work, not realizing they , like other minority or so-called oppressed groups, are being played by communists/socialists for other purposes.

Call me a conspiracy theorists, but there it is. 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

So it is the Communist/Muslim Alliance behind it all?

I am more worried about the Libertarian/Nazi Alliance myself.

How do you construct these theories where people who disagree about everything are somehow in cahoots?

[poptart]

On 5/1/2019 at 9:00 AM, Kenngo1969 said:

 

Personal fav song by Bob, miss him.  Bet he's up there with St. Francis toking away, sure Pres Hinkley is up there too. 

You're a cool guy, i'll share one that's a personal fav, non bob related song.

This one about sums up one of the ways I see death, minus the Valhalla part, no thanks.  Folksvanger is much more my speed. Probably frustrates you and other posters here to no end, while I'm a cultural christian at best, at my core my beliefs are far, far from what common ground you'd share with the rest of Christiandom.

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by poptart

[poptart]

9 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

So it is the Communist/Muslim Alliance behind it all?

I am more worried about the Libertarian/Nazi Alliance myself.

How do you construct these theories where people who disagree about everything are somehow in cahoots?

See, it's because of people like you I keep coming back, you see the bigoted gay bashing for what it is, it's more so the nazis I'd be scared of.  Sadly, it's Christianity that's almost always made their worst nightmares.  It was one of the Popes who had the audacity to shoot his mouth off to the Mongols.  Real smart, my God will let me do whatever I want, all the while the Moors, Muslims and later on the Ottomans were right at their door.  Those of you here I do talk to?  You guys are awesome, for one you all can see the forest for the trees.  (I think.....)

Hat off to the Prophet for extending his hand in friendship to Rome, while people here bicker about the big bag gay agenda and how people like me are ruining everything, your leadership had the smarts to make friends.  Can't find it, Elder Holland made a speech, telling people to be kind to people, even those who are LGBT.  We need more people like that...

[Wade Englund]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

How do you construct these theories where people who disagree about everything are somehow in cahoots?

Ever hear the phrase, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend?"  

What is so profoundly cunning about the handful of Nazi's in the U. S.  is how they have so easily fooled the Left into believing that Nazis are on the Right, in spite of the word "socialist" featured prominently in their official name.  But, this doesn't even hold a candle to the brilliance in getting the Left to illegitimately brandish the Nazi epitaph (thereby providing massive free advertising), and this in lieu of a rational responses to the Right. Nothing will help the Nazi socialist cause like dumbing-down minds and un-tethering hearts.

Oh...and then there is the "bigotted gay-basher" label that gets bandied about...and something about false accusers. But, lets not worry about a thing.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited May 3, 2019 by Wade Englund

[The Nehor]

18 minutes ago, Wade Englund said:

Ever hear the phrase, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend?"  

What is so profoundly cunning about the handful of Nazi's in the U. S.  is how they have so easily fooled the Left into believing that Nazis are on the Right, in spite of the word "socialist" featured prominently in their official name.  But, this doesn't even hold a candle to the brilliance in getting the Left to illegitimately brandish the Nazi epitaph (thereby providing massive free advertising), and this in lieu of a rational responses to the Right. Nothing will help the Nazi socialist cause like dumbing-down minds and un-tethering hearts.

Oh...and then there is the "gay-basher" label that gets bandied about...and something about false accusers. But, lets not worry about a thing.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Yeah, the Nazis were true socialists. It is in the name. It must be true. They didn’t cull the party of all the genuine socialists like Strasser in the night of long knives and then cozy up to all the big German corporations to build a war machine at all. They could not have. You see, it says socialist in the original name so all evidence to the contrary can then and forever after be handily dismissed.

On a related note the greatest trick North Korea pulled was convincing everyone it is an autocratic military dictatorship when it is really a democratic republic. It has to be. It is in the name after all: the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea. Why are you not speaking out about this ongoing deception?

Edit: Also the “the enemy of my enemy thing” is a toxic philosophy. It can work but only when you share a common goal. The goals of Islamic terrorists and left-leaning politicians have no real common goals. This alliance is all in your head.

Edited May 3, 2019 by The Nehor

[MiserereNobis]

2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Yeah, the Nazis were true socialists. It is in the name. It must be true. They didn’t cull the party of all the genuine socialists like Strasser in the night of long knives and then cozy up to all the big German corporations to build a war machine at all. They could not have. You see, it says socialist in the original name so all evidence to the contrary can then and forever after be handily dismissed.

On a related note the greatest trick North Korea pulled was convincing everyone it is an autocratic military dictatorship when it is really a democratic republic. It has to be. It is in the name after all: the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea. Why are you not speaking out about this ongoing deception?

I was about to make this exact same point. The idea that Nazis are on the left because socialist is in their name is one of the more ridiculous arguments that gets bandied about.