Popular Post Scott Lloyd Posted August 8, 2018 Popular Post Posted August 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: Where has her story been "disputed on every level"? This claim is too absurd to take seriously. She's just walking around, both breasts exposed in the foyer while deacons are trying to pass the sacrament. If that's really what happened I think it's reasonable to expect one of the witnesses to go on record. She has disputed this rumor in the Trib story. Maybe one or more witnesses did go on record in statements to priesthood leaders. Why should they be expected to go public just because she chose to? For that matter, why is this anybody’s business beyond those directly involved? 6
HappyJackWagon Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Maybe one or more witnesses did go on record in statements to priesthood leaders. Why should they be expected to go public just because she chose to? For that matter, why is this anybody’s business beyond those directly involved? Well, because there seems to be a whisper campaign about this woman. She not only breastfeed publicly but she walks around the foyer topless while the deacons are passing the sacrament. If those rumors are going to be spread, a witness should stand by it. Otherwise it's just gossip. Surely, if individuals have information to support these claims they should either show it, or stop the gossip.
Popular Post smac97 Posted August 8, 2018 Author Popular Post Posted August 8, 2018 Just now, HappyJackWagon said: Well, because there seems to be a whisper campaign about this woman. "This woman" is the one that chose to bring this mess out into the public sphere. And she's hiding her own identity. It's gossip all around. I'm not saying that she's fair game for such things. But if you pull the tiger's tail... Just now, HappyJackWagon said: She not only breastfeed publicly but she walks around the foyer topless while the deacons are passing the sacrament. If those rumors are going to be spread, a witness should stand by it. Otherwise it's just gossip. It's all "just gossip." Just now, HappyJackWagon said: Surely, if individuals have information to support these claims they should either show it, or stop the gossip. "Show it" to whom? Where? In which venue? Why do gossipmongers have an obligation to show "information to support" their claims, but the woman in question is free to remain anonymous, spouting her decidedly one-sided version of events, and we're all just expected to take her (anonymous) word for it? And why? How is this any of our business? Thanks, -Smac 5
Scott Lloyd Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: Well, because there seems to be a whisper campaign about this woman. She not only breastfeed publicly but she walks around the foyer topless while the deacons are passing the sacrament. If those rumors are going to be spread, a witness should stand by it. Otherwise it's just gossip. Surely, if individuals have information to support these claims they should either show it, or stop the gossip. This whole thing was gossip from the moment she took her complaints to Exponent II and the TV station. 4
Raingirl Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Maybe one or more witnesses did go on record in statements to priesthood leaders. Why should they be expected to go public just because she chose to? For that matter, why is this anybody’s business beyond those directly involved? I wouldn't go public. For the reasons you mentioned, and also for the inevitable attacks, as is evidenced by some of the posts in this thread. 3
Popular Post juliann Posted August 8, 2018 Popular Post Posted August 8, 2018 I’m not going to repeat myself. It has all been explained from ward members who did speak up online. Why do you think she is taking pains to make denials....about what no one has complained about? And of course what she was doing is absurd! Do you actually think that many people would be upset by mere nursing? Where would these ward members speak up other than on FB, HJ? Please link to even one article, blog, or reporter who has made any effort whatsoever to investigate this? 7
juliann Posted August 9, 2018 Posted August 9, 2018 4 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: Well, because there seems to be a whisper campaign about this woman. She not only breastfeed publicly but she walks around the foyer topless while the deacons are passing the sacrament. If those rumors are going to be spread, a witness should stand by it. Otherwise it's just gossip. Surely, if individuals have information to support these claims they should either show it, or stop the gossip. Look how you are now exaggerating to make the witnesses look silly. Do you normally back accusers without any curiosity about who is being accused? Do you find a changing story that credible that witnesses are to be scorned? Or do you actually think no one see what was happening in a church foyer? 3
HappyJackWagon Posted August 9, 2018 Posted August 9, 2018 10 hours ago, juliann said: Look how you are now exaggerating to make the witnesses look silly. Do you normally back accusers without any curiosity about who is being accused? Do you find a changing story that credible that witnesses are to be scorned? Or do you actually think no one see what was happening in a church foyer? I haven't seen or heard from any witness. That's kind of the point. All I'm hearing is the gossip about what a witness supposedly wrote somewhere that no one else can see. Quote Where would these ward members speak up other than on FB, HJ? Please link to even one article, blog, or reporter who has made any effort whatsoever to investigate this? There have been stories about this. Have the witnesses spoken to the reporters to tell their side. Have the witnesses made comments on the stories? Not that I've seen. If this woman was acting in such a ridiculous way I can't imagine why people wouldn't be willing to tell their side, if for no other reason than to support their bishop/SP. This topic has been discussed all over social media yet I haven't seen anything from an actual witness. On the other hand, the woman has given interviews to newspapers and even podcasts. We may not know her identity but at least she's opening herself up to be questioned. These witnesses are gossiping and then hiding in shadows so that their claims cannot be verified nor do they have to justify themselves.
juliann Posted August 9, 2018 Posted August 9, 2018 4 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said: I haven't seen or heard from any witness. That's kind of the point. All I'm hearing is the gossip about what a witness supposedly wrote somewhere that no one else can see. There have been stories about this. Have the witnesses spoken to the reporters to tell their side. Have the witnesses made comments on the stories? Not that I've seen. If this woman was acting in such a ridiculous way I can't imagine why people wouldn't be willing to tell their side, if for no other reason than to support their bishop/SP. This topic has been discussed all over social media yet I haven't seen anything from an actual witness. On the other hand, the woman has given interviews to newspapers and even podcasts. We may not know her identity but at least she's opening herself up to be questioned. These witnesses are gossiping and then hiding in shadows so that their claims cannot be verified nor do they have to justify themselves. When is the last time you saw ward members and a bishop running to the press? You want to believe the worst. You choose to believe a woman with a crazy story making inconsistent unsubstianted accusations who won't give her name. Nothing iffy about that. Enjoy. 3
HappyJackWagon Posted August 9, 2018 Posted August 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, juliann said: When is the last time you saw ward members and a bishop running to the press? You want to believe the worst. You choose to believe a woman with a crazy story making inconsistent unsubstianted accusations who won't give her name. Nothing iffy about that. Enjoy. They're not running to the press where they may be challenged. Apparently they're content to gossip in the background so that no one has the ability to verify the rumors they're spreading. According to you they're talking, and then you repeat what they're saying, yet I've yet to see for myself what they're actually saying. I think it's funny that you are accusing me of wanting to believe the worst. From my perspective you're asking me to believe the worst about the woman with zero evidence and without even a public accusation, only rumors of what you've seen on other sites, that you apparently can't share. If you expect me to believe these rumors it's really not to much to ask that I can actually see what they are saying and who's saying it
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