Duncan Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/brook-p-hales-called-general-authority-seventy Now, I wonder about these news releases and their legitimacy. If it is true I wonder why now? did they have an odd number for the all general authority baseball team and needed to balance it out? 1
Scott Lloyd Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 My guess — and it’s only a guess — is that he works so closely with the First Presidency that they felt he needed to have line authority due to the nature of some of his duties. Moreover, he often accompanies them in their ecclesiastical travel. Now it will be handy to be able to call on him to speak, conduct meetings, set apart newly called stake leaders, etc. 2
Atheist Mormon Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 51 minutes ago, Duncan said: new General Authority? No doubt He will do a fine job, he has necessary qualifications of banking and finance degree ☺️
Duncan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Posted May 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Atheist Mormon said: No doubt He will do a fine job, he has necessary qualifications of banking and finance degree ☺️ I was thinking there seems to be a line of others who were Secretaries to be called as a GA, Rulon Craven, Joseph Anderson, F. Michael Watson, Francis Gibbons and now Elder Hales. Mind you Arthur Haycock wasn't as i'm sure others but it seems to be a prime picking spot! 1
Marginal Gains Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 No change in role or responsibilities. But does now get get a stipend and perhaps a get out of jail free card. At least he’ll now keep the more detailed statistics secret sacred. But what do I know, I’m just a cynic... 2
Robert F. Smith Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Marginal Gains said: No change in role or responsibilities. But does now get get a stipend and perhaps a get out of jail free card. At least he’ll now keep the more detailed statistics secret sacred. But what do I know, I’m just a cynic... Even cynics can make marginal gains, if they work at it. 3
CMZ Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Marginal Gains said: No change in role or responsibilities. "In addition to his new responsibilities, Elder Hales will continue in his role as secretary to the First Presidency." https://www.ldschurchnews.com/callings/2018-05-18/secretary-to-the-first-presidency-called-as-a-general-authority-seventy-47168 1
mfbukowski Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Even cynics can make marginal gains, if they work at it. That's a big IF that's not happening in this case. 2
Marginal Gains Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, CMZ said: "In addition to his new responsibilities, Elder Hales will continue in his role as secretary to the First Presidency." https://www.ldschurchnews.com/callings/2018-05-18/secretary-to-the-first-presidency-called-as-a-general-authority-seventy-47168 What new responsibilities?
CMZ Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Marginal Gains said: What new responsibilities? It doesn't say. I just mentioned it because it was said earlier in this thread that his responsibilities didn't change. But it sounds like in addition to his secretary role that he got new responsibilities that go along with being a Seventy. Probably given the sealing power. May have stake conference assignments. Assignments to speak in general conference from time to time. Possibly more. 1
Marginal Gains Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, Marginal Gains said: What new responsibilities? 1 minute ago, CMZ said: It doesn't say. Exactly.
CMZ Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Marginal Gains said: Exactly. Lol. I brought it up because it mentions he has new responsibilities in addition to his prior one. Me not know the precise details of the new responsibilities doesn't mean they don't exist. But there are certain things that we know go along with being a general authority.
Robert F. Smith Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 10 hours ago, mfbukowski said: That's a big IF that's not happening in this case. Hope springs eternal, Mark. Almost anything is possible. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted May 19, 2018 Posted May 19, 2018 20 hours ago, Duncan said: I was thinking there seems to be a line of others who were Secretaries to be called as a GA, Rulon Craven, Joseph Anderson, F. Michael Watson, Francis Gibbons and now Elder Hales. Mind you Arthur Haycock wasn't as i'm sure others but it seems to be a prime picking spot! The difference, of course, is that none of these men served as General Authorities while they were serving as secretary to the First Presidency. 1
Duncan Posted May 19, 2018 Author Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: The difference, of course, is that none of these men served as General Authorities while they were serving as secretary to the First Presidency. no, but they were picked after and that was prime hunting ground for someone to serve as a General Authority. I , personally would be nervous to get that secretary position after the previous one was picked, I, personally, would start smoking big fat cigars to ensure that I wasn't ever called😝 Edited May 19, 2018 by Duncan
2BizE Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 So, he continues to do the same thing, but now he doesnt get "paid", he now collects the tax free $120,000+ stipend. I think Bro. Hales will make a fine GA. I do wonder if there is something to this other than revelation.
Duncan Posted May 20, 2018 Author Posted May 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, 2BizE said: So, he continues to do the same thing, but now he doesnt get "paid", he now collects the tax free $120,000+ stipend. I think Bro. Hales will make a fine GA. I do wonder if there is something to this other than revelation. I did say baseball, what more do you want?
Calm Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 2BizE said: So, he continues to do the same thing, but now he doesnt get "paid", he now collects the tax free $120,000+ stipend. I think Bro. Hales will make a fine GA. I do wonder if there is something to this other than revelation. According to the leaked pay stub, they pay taxes...at least they have them withheld, which would be silly if they didn't pay any. Withholding taxes were a little over 9% gross income. http://kutv.com/news/local/mormonleaks-web-page-posts-information-about-living-allowance-of-lds-general-authorities Edited May 20, 2018 by Calm
CMZ Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: The difference, of course, is that none of these men served as General Authorities while they were serving as secretary to the First Presidency. I thought Michael Watson served as both for a while. Wait, maybe not, but something back then made me think there was at least some overlap. Edited May 20, 2018 by CMZ
Marginal Gains Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 13 hours ago, CMZ said: Lol. I brought it up because it mentions he has new responsibilities in addition to his prior one. Me not know the precise details of the new responsibilities doesn't mean they don't exist. But there are certain things that we know go along with being a general authority. Such as...
Scott Lloyd Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 13 hours ago, CMZ said: I thought Michael Watson served as both for a while. Wait, maybe not, but something back then made me think there was at least some overlap. No. We worked quite frequently with him when he was secretary to the First Presidency. Then, either upon his retirement or soon thereafter, he became a General Authority seventy and, as I recall, was sent abroad. Edited to add: His Wikipedia entry confirms he served "until his call as a general authority of the LDS Church in 2008."
Scott Lloyd Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 14 hours ago, 2BizE said: So, he continues to do the same thing, but now he doesnt get "paid", he now collects the tax free $120,000+ stipend. I think Bro. Hales will make a fine GA. I do wonder if there is something to this other than revelation. CFR.
CMZ Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 13 hours ago, Marginal Gains said: Such as... See my prior post that you didn't like that mentions some of it.
CMZ Posted May 20, 2018 Posted May 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: Edited to add: His Wikipedia entry confirms he served "until his call as a general authority of the LDS Church in 2008." Yeah, that's also where I corrected myself. I don't claim to know too much about it. I just remember when he was called as a Seventy and I didn't personally see anywhere stating that he was released as secretary.
Marginal Gains Posted May 21, 2018 Posted May 21, 2018 14 hours ago, CMZ said: See my prior post that you didn't like that mentions some of it. You said: “Probably given the sealing power. May have stake conference assignments. Assignments to speak in general conference from time to time. Possibly more.“ What do you mean by “the sealing power” and why do you think he doesn’t already have it?
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