Emotional healing and Spirit World

[Duncan]

I see that the infamous Charles Manson is dead, I don't know or want to know much about him but what I do know about him is he's nuts. I was wondering though for people like him (name any serial killer), when they die are their minds restored to what they should be (obviously they have need for repentance). What about people with other emotional issues like phobias, anxiety, addictions, PTSD-will the mind be restored or de cluttered from all of those things that plague people in life? I wonder how much of what we pick up here will not be in the next life or what isn't happening here will we get there

Edited November 20, 2017 by Duncan

[CV75]

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

I see that the infamous Charles Manson is dead, I don't know or want to know much about him but what I do know about him is he's nuts. I was wondering though for people like him (name any serial killer), when they die are their minds restored to what they should be (obviously they have need for repentance). What about people with other emotional issues like phobias, anxiety, addictions, PTSD-will the mind be restored or de cluttered from all of those things that plague people in life? I wonder how much of what we pick up here will not be in the next life or what isn't happening here will we get there

I think anything we are not responsible or accountable for will be immediately healed. I would think the rest would depend on how we respond to that healing and the opportunities extended us to change those things we are accountable and responsible for.

[smac97]

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

I see that the infamous Charles Manson is dead, I don't know or want to know much about him but what I do know about him is he's nuts.

He was born to an unwed 16-year old.  He was first named "No Name Maddox."  He never knew his father.

When he was five, his mother was imprisoned for robbery for three years (he spent that time with an aunt and uncle).  They spent the next few years living in run-down hotels.  When he was 13, his mother tried, unsuccessfully, to place him in foster care.  He was instead placed in a boys' home, from which he escaped after 10 months and returned to his mother, who rejected him.

Then he started committing burglaries.  He was caught (while still 13) and sent to a juvenile facility in Indiana, where he was sexually assaulted.  After multiples escape attempts, he succeeded in 1951 (age 17 or so).  He went on a cross-country trip to California, committing several robberies along the way.

At this point he was illiterate.  And characterized as aggressively antisocial.

More stints in juvie.  Paroled.

At 21, he married a waitress, supported her through petty crimes and auto theft.  Moved to California.  More crimes, more incarceration.  His wife had a baby.  And left him.

He continued to go downhill from there.

He committed many evil acts.  He had a pretty awful childhood and young adulthood.  He probably had some mental illness(es).  And lots of substance abuse.  And he committed many evil acts.

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

I was wondering though for people like him (name any serial killer), when they die are their minds restored to what they should be (obviously they have need for repentance).

At some point, yes.  Per Alma 11:42-43 (emphasis added):

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42 Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised from this temporal death.

43 The spirit and the body shall be reunited again in its perfect form; both limb and joint shall be restored to its proper frame, even as we now are at this time; and we shall be brought to stand before God, knowing even as we know now, and have a bright recollection of all our guilt.

2 Nephi 9:13-14 (emphasis added):

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13 O how great the plan of our God! For on the other hand, the paradise of God must deliver up the spirits of the righteous, and the grave deliver up the body of the righteous; and the spirit and the body is restored to itself again, and all men become incorruptible, and immortal, and they are living souls, having a perfect knowledge like unto us in the flesh, save it be that our knowledge shall be perfect.

14 Wherefore, we shall have a perfect knowledge of all our guilt, and our uncleanness, and our nakedness; and the righteous shall have a perfect knowledge of their enjoyment, and their righteousness, being clothed with purity, yea, even with the robe of righteousness.

Mosiah 3:24-25 (emphasis added):

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24 And thus saith the Lord: They shall stand as a bright testimony against this people, at the judgment day; whereof they shall be judged, every man according to his works, whether they be good, or whether they be evil.

25 And if they be evil they are consigned to an awful view of their own guilt and abominations, which doth cause them to shrink from the presence of the Lord into a state of misery and endless torment, from whence they can no more return; therefore they have drunk damnation to their own souls.

Alma 5:17-18 (emphasis added):

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17 Or do ye imagine to yourselves that ye can lie unto the Lord in that day, and say—Lord, our works have been righteous works upon the face of the earth—and that he will save you?

18 Or otherwise, can ye imagine yourselves brought before the tribunal of God with your souls filled with guilt and remorse, having a remembrance of all your guilt, yea, a perfect remembrance of all your wickedness, yea, a remembrance that ye have set at defiance the commandments of God?

I don't know all the details as to how things will be sorted out.  But everything will be taken into account.  God is perfectly just.  And merciful.  The Atonement will apply in ways I cannot presently comprehend.

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

What about people with other emotional issues like phobias, anxiety, addictions, PTSD-will the mind be restored or de cluttered from all of those things that plague people in life?

Mitigating factors all.

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

I wonder how much of what we pick up here will not be in the next life or what isn't happening here will we get there

The next life will be profoundly better than this one.  All but the most utterly wicked and depraved of us (Sons of Perdition) will be given a kingdom of glory.  The lowest of these, the Telestial, is so glorious that it "surpasses understanding."

Thanks,

-Smac

[Calm]

5 hours ago, Duncan said:

I see that the infamous Charles Manson is dead, I don't know or want to know much about him but what I do know about him is he's nuts. I was wondering though for people like him (name any serial killer), when they die are their minds restored to what they should be (obviously they have need for repentance). What about people with other emotional issues like phobias, anxiety, addictions, PTSD-will the mind be restored or de cluttered from all of those things that plague people in life? I wonder how much of what we pick up here will not be in the next life or what isn't happening here will we get there

Even if physical damage is healed, patterns of thought need to be changed as in unhealthy ones removed and replaced by healthy ones.

It is likely healing takes a long time post death as it does predeath forthat reason.  I  would expect less time, but there may be other factors affecting judgment .

[Duncan]

9 minutes ago, Calm said:

Even if physical damage is healed, patterns of thought need to be changed as in unhealthy ones removed and replaced by healthy ones.

It is likely healing takes a long time post death as it does predeath forthat reason.  I  would expect less time, but there may be other factors affecting judgment .

i'd be interested to know how those thought patterns, beliefs will be changed, like some kind of divine counselling or will we change them on our own or what happens if we don't change our thought patterns

[Glenn101]

5 hours ago, Duncan said:

i'd be interested to know how those thought patterns, beliefs will be changed, like some kind of divine counselling or will we change them on our own or what happens if we don't change our thought patterns

If we don't change our thought patterns, it will not go well for us. Sounds sort of like an unrepentant type to me.

I don't know how the healing will be effected, nor the time frame for it, if there is any such thing as time in the next life. But it is that hope that I have for a quick healing, to take away all of the hurt that has been driven into such an one as my wife who endured some pretty bad abuse in her home and her first two marriages. She has made tremendous progress during the years I have known her, but there are yet things she has not overcome and probably will not be able to overcome in this life. If for no other reason than that, it is a good reason for me to at least want to believe.

Glenn

[Duncan]

1 hour ago, Glenn101 said:

If we don't change our thought patterns, it will not go well for us. Sounds sort of like an unrepentant type to me.

I don't know how the healing will be effected, nor the time frame for it, if there is any such thing as time in the next life. But it is that hope that I have for a quick healing, to take away all of the hurt that has been driven into such an one as my wife who endured some pretty bad abuse in her home and her first two marriages. She has made tremendous progress during the years I have known her, but there are yet things she has not overcome and probably will not be able to overcome in this life. If for no other reason than that, it is a good reason for me to at least want to believe.

Glenn

same thing with my dad, his city was bombed twice in WW2 and it's tough, I think he's hid a lot of demons-Sounds like your wife has a great man beside her!

[clarkgoble]

17 hours ago, Duncan said:

I see that the infamous Charles Manson is dead, I don't know or want to know much about him but what I do know about him is he's nuts. I was wondering though for people like him (name any serial killer), when they die are their minds restored to what they should be (obviously they have need for repentance). What about people with other emotional issues like phobias, anxiety, addictions, PTSD-will the mind be restored or de cluttered from all of those things that plague people in life? I wonder how much of what we pick up here will not be in the next life or what isn't happening here will we get there

We don't really know. The only real info is in NDE but there's pretty good reasons to be very skeptical of those. However a common theme in many NDE is that there's something akin to a habit in the spirit such that ones behaviors and inclinations persist into the next life but are thereby harder to change due to the lack of a body. However as you note this seems pretty unfair to those with mental illness or trauma that causes such things. So I tend to just be willing to say we don't know.

Edited November 21, 2017 by clarkgoble

[Glenn101]

12 hours ago, Duncan said:

same thing with my dad, his city was bombed twice in WW2 and it's tough, I think he's hid a lot of demons-Sounds like your wife has a great man beside her!

I don't know about the great man part, but she believes he is. Maybe it is just that he looks good compared to the first two.

[Duncan]

8 hours ago, clarkgoble said:

We don't really know. The only real info is in NDE but there's pretty good reasons to be very skeptical of those. However a common theme in many NDE is that there's something akin to a habit in the spirit such that ones behaviors and inclinations persist into the next life but are thereby harder to change due to the lack of a body. However as you note this seems pretty unfair to those with mental illness or trauma that causes such things. So I tend to just be willing to say we don't know.

That's fair!

[Kenngo1969]

I'm just spit-balling here, so feel free to ignore this or to take it for what (little) it might be worth.  I think a lot of things will be healed instantaneously.  Some might not be, and in those cases, there will still be work to do.  At times, I have received unexpected blessings "out of the blue," and as grateful as I am for those, I'm even more grateful for the ones that take a little more effort on my part.  

We're told that "Whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection.  And if a person gains more knowledge and intelligence in this life through his diligence and obedience than another, he will have so much the advantage in the world to come" (Doctrine & Covenants 130:20-21).  I think a similar principle may apply to overcoming some "thorns in the flesh," even in the next life (the advantage being, of course, that so many of the things that inhibit that process in this life will be absent there).  Does that work still to be done exist simply because God is unfair?  No.  Part of it is the law of the harvest, reaping what we have sown.  By analogy, I could simply tell you something you hadn't known before and you might say, "Oh.   OK."  By contrast, if I were to work with you until you made the discovery on your own, your reaction might be closer to .

Just because one person might have "so much the advantage" over another in the world to come doesn't mean that the ground separating the two can never and will never be made up?  No.  It simply means that more than a few such processes begun here will continue there. As for the Charles Mansons of the world, are there people who endured some of the things he did, yet didn't make the same awful choices?  Yes.  Are there people who endured some of the things he did and made even worse choices?  Yes. Only God can judge.  In the end, my sense, contrary to that old saying that "Even the wicked get worse than they deserve,"  is that most all of us will get better than we deserve.  That's one of the reasons for the Atonement.  (Though I don't think that means that, eventually, Charles Manson will get the same reward as, say, President Gordon B. Hinckley.)  The My $0.02, actual value (as always) much less.

 

Edited November 21, 2017 by Kenngo1969