Progress between Kingdoms (a speculative poll)

[Glenn101]

13 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

This is based on the assumption that God never progresses beyond a Celestial kingdom.
In fact, "Where I am, they cannot come" shows eternal progression perfectly.

If we are going on the assumption of finite spheres, with no transition between and no progression beyond we are left in the following situation:
Here is the all the information and knowledge that can ever exist in a finite Celestial Kingdom, based on the idea that there is nothing beyond it

If eternity is without end/infinite and the Celestial Kingdom has finite bounds (or the Terrestrial, or the Telestial), then it is impossible not to eventually have read this book and infinite number of times.  In short, how can you have a finite kingdom and knowledge (where there is nothing new for God to learn nor for us either eventually) AND infinite existence.

Pure hell.
 

 

If God is perfect does that not mean He has a perfect knowledge? So what new thing would there be for Him to learn?

I do not look at the Celestial Kingdom as being one of finite boundaries but one of spiritual stature. I do not have any idea what those in the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms will be doing. I don't know how they will be organized, etc. But, in a sense, they will be finite in spiritual stature with limits that the members pretty much imposed upon themselves.

Glenn

[cdowis]

1 hour ago, Glenn101 said:

I do not have any idea what those in the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms will be doing.

Telestial -- watching infinite re-runs of Gilligan's Island.

Terrestial -- Living in a luxury hotel on a beach in Hawaii.  Lying on the beach, with nothing else to do.

Outer Darkness -- Obama talking about how much he has accomplished and his legacy.  counting the number of times he says "I" in the speech, and then discovering that infinity is indeed a number.

Edited January 9, 2017 by cdowis

[VideoGameJunkie]

What are the requirements to achieve exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom? What's the list of requirements to gain that joy and happiness?

[cdowis]

36 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

What are the requirements to achieve exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom? What's the list of requirements to gain that joy and happiness?

Make covenants thru ordinances and keep those covenants.

[JLHPROF]

4 hours ago, Glenn101 said:

If God is perfect does that not mean He has a perfect knowledge? So what new thing would there be for Him to learn?

I do not look at the Celestial Kingdom as being one of finite boundaries but one of spiritual stature. I do not have any idea what those in the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms will be doing. I don't know how they will be organized, etc. But, in a sense, they will be finite in spiritual stature with limits that the members pretty much imposed upon themselves.

Glenn

So your theory is that Celestial is infinite but Terrestrial/Telestial is finite (with bounds).
I love to know where you get that.

As for God having perfect knowledge.  I believe God has perfect knowledge within his sphere.  But if knowledge is infinite and you start out finite (mortal) it is impossible to learn infinite knowledge.  Infinite knowledge would require an infinite being.
We will one day be Gods as he is.  We can never learn everything because there is no end to everything.  We could add infinite information to our knowledge every year and there would still be more to learn.

[JLHPROF]

2 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said:

What are the requirements to achieve exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom? What's the list of requirements to gain that joy and happiness?

Exaltation requires living all the Celestial laws.  All of them.  Just as God does and did.
Which is why Joseph said it will be a long time after this life that we learn to be completely exalted.

[Glenn101]

57 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

So your theory is that Celestial is infinite but Terrestrial/Telestial is finite (with bounds).
I love to know where you get that.

As for God having perfect knowledge.  I believe God has perfect knowledge within his sphere.  But if knowledge is infinite and you start out finite (mortal) it is impossible to learn infinite knowledge.  Infinite knowledge would require an infinite being.
We will one day be Gods as he is.  We can never learn everything because there is no end to everything.  We could add infinite information to our knowledge every year and there would still be more to learn.

My theory is that I don't know. The bounds, though are the bounds that we impose on ourselves by our lack of adherence to the laws upon which each blessing is predicated.

Are you saying that God is not an infinite being?

Glenn

[JLHPROF]

1 hour ago, Glenn101 said:

My theory is that I don't know. The bounds, though are the bounds that we impose on ourselves by our lack of adherence to the laws upon which each blessing is predicated.

Are you saying that God is not an infinite being?

Glenn

"Infinite" can have many meanings.
He is an immortal being.  His intelligence has no beginning nor end, just as ours.
 

[Glenn101]

1 hour ago, JLHPROF said:

"Infinite" can have many meanings.
He is an immortal being.  His intelligence has no beginning nor end, just as ours.
 

But does he have an infinite knowledge? Does He know all things or not? Do you think that we can actually understand that attribute of God?

Glenn

[JLHPROF]

2 hours ago, Glenn101 said:

But does he have an infinite knowledge? Does He know all things or not? Do you think that we can actually understand that attribute of God?

No.  I don't believe he does.  Not in the absolute way you mean.
I don't believe omniscience is any more a real concept than omnipotence or omnipresence.  Mere philosophical constructs.

[pogi]

Nevermind

Edited January 10, 2017 by pogi

[Revenant Angel]

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[JLHPROF]

7 hours ago, Revenant Angel said:

Well, I guess I'm fkd. Is there a suicide option in the next life? The 1% of the 1% get everything.. just like here. Who would want to exist like that eternally?

The difference is here there is largely no corresponding connection between blessing and behavior, despite what some like to claim.
Whereas when God is involved the "1%" aren't a favored few but are the ones who are willing to obey the law to receive the blessing.
ANYONE who obeys the law receives the blessing.

[BCSpace]

Coming late to the question....I would say no advancement possible beyond the degree of glory classification one achieves.  The Second Law of Thermodynamics prevents it.  There is no more available energy from the Atonement and entropy sets in.  Either one breaks the barrier of relativity in the Judgement, or not at all and one's progress becomes asymptotic.

[JLHPROF]

16 minutes ago, BCSpace said:

Coming late to the question....I would say no advancement possible beyond the degree of glory classification one achieves.  The Second Law of Thermodynamics prevents it.  There is no more available energy from the Atonement and entropy sets in.  Either one breaks the barrier of relativity in the Judgement, or not at all and one's progress becomes asymptotic.

You're serious about that?
There is no end to the potential energy (aka light) in existence.