Damien the Leper Posted July 30, 2016 Posted July 30, 2016 These people have inhabited North Sentinel Island for more than 60,000 years. Woohoo! No more young earth horse poop! http://www.anonews.co/sentinelese-people/ 2
The Nehor Posted July 30, 2016 Posted July 30, 2016 You expect young earth creationists to be convinced by a single statement in a new article. Good luck! 4
Damien the Leper Posted July 30, 2016 Author Posted July 30, 2016 No. They're the type of people who would believe 2+4=5 if the Bible told them so. Ken Ham and his ilk are idiots. 1
The Nehor Posted July 30, 2016 Posted July 30, 2016 43 minutes ago, Valentinus said: Ken Ham and his ilk are idiots. What I dislike most about them is outsiders see them and see their science is idiocy but assume their understanding of religion and the Bible is solid. I wish more people realized they are universal idiots. 3
Damien the Leper Posted July 30, 2016 Author Posted July 30, 2016 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: What I dislike most about them is outsiders see them and see their science is idiocy but assume their understanding of religion and the Bible is solid. I wish more people realized they are universal idiots. Totally agree with you. They aren't very well nuanced.
carbon dioxide Posted July 30, 2016 Posted July 30, 2016 How do they know these people have been around for 60000 years when people can't get on the island to study it for risk of being attacked? 2
Popular Post 3DOP Posted July 30, 2016 Popular Post Posted July 30, 2016 If I am an idiot, Valentinus, and even an "universal idiot", if your thoughtful friend is to be believed, how would you explain your previous lack of recognition of my incapacity to think? Recall the posts I have made on other subjects that you have praised. I am hoping that our past mutual admiration for each other might allow me to ask you to consider that even if you must disagree with those of my "ilk", maybe it would be wrong of you to dismiss us as "universal idiots"? Others who I have admired here have not often used the same bold language as I have seen on this thread. However, I have been made uncomfortable previously by the unusually dismissive, and sometimes hostile tone, taken by others who ordinarily exhibit more moderate judgment. I think this reveals a deep rooted antipathy to the ideas of a younger earth by the vast majority of even the gentler participants on this board. Besides you, Valentinus, whose general good will I believe in, I also ask any others who would like to think of themselves as gentle and moderate, to reconsider their thoughts about those who for some reason, have a lack of confidence in modern science about the age of the earth. Surely such a mistake is not evidence that such a person should be described as an idiot on that basis alone, much less one who is an "universal idiot". And I don't mean because it is rude to call somebody an idiot. It is inaccurate to even think of somebody as an idiot, or a fool, or of small mind on that basis. It always works evil to ourselves for any of us to despise our neighbors because we imagine they are stupid. It is poisonous to our own souls. I have not always been guiltless and I do not condemn those who do to me what I have done to others in the past. I cannot bring myself to believe in evolution, and the humans or protohumans having been here for the periods of time that evolution seems to require. For some other reasons, but perhaps mostly because it is a position which is almost unanimously despised here, I have not been inclined to discuss why I doubt the claims of modern science. But it seems like it would be cowardly of me now not to admit my beliefs and to make an appeal for a less injurious tone in word and a less disdainful spirit of mind. Thanks to any for consideration of the possibility of reassessing what you have apparently seen up until now, as incomprehensible idiocy on the part of those of my ilk. I am confident that these modest suggestions will be well received by some or even many who view them. Without asking you to believe as I do, my faith tells me that it would be better for your own souls to give us more credit than we deserve, than to wrongly attribute idiocy, by word or thought, where it is not necessarily warranted. God love you all. 3DOP 6
mfbukowski Posted July 30, 2016 Posted July 30, 2016 Who's got the popcorn? This just got interesting. 2
strappinglad Posted July 31, 2016 Posted July 31, 2016 I'm not a six days of creation believer. I accept that creation could have taken longer, then again , if God did it He could have done it in 6 milliseconds I suppose. I find that the latest cosmological observations raise serious questions about deep time at least as far as our solar system is concerned. The God I believe in seems more efficient than evolution requires. I suppose I am also an idiot, but hopefully a useful idiot. I'm about to start reading Stephen Meyer's book " Darwin's Dilemma " which speaks of the Cambrian Explosion. A quick look at the review statements on Amazon show that some very well credentialed people admit the problem is not settled science. I will report my observations when done so save up the derision and tomatoes for that event. 1
Boanerges Posted July 31, 2016 Posted July 31, 2016 On 7/30/2016 at 2:03 AM, The Nehor said: What I dislike most about them is outsiders see them and see their science is idiocy but assume their understanding of religion and the Bible is solid. I wish more people realized they are universal idiots. My pet peeve is that outsiders think all religious people believe the same as young earthers. We don't. There are a wide variety of beliefs. I personally believe evolution and the big bang are plausible explanations for how God did it because in truth we don't know how He did it. I'm not so concerned with how God did it as much as I am concerned with how important it is that I have faith or believe He did it. 3
oremites Posted July 31, 2016 Posted July 31, 2016 12 hours ago, strappinglad said: The God I believe in seems more efficient than evolution requires. I believe that the LDS church is Christ's church and that He is the head and leader of it. However, for the most part, it's run by men and women who make mistakes and missteps and, despite their best intentions, things generally don't go as smoothly as could be hoped. God's in charge, but he gives us a free hand so that we can learn and grow. I remember this story from a Dallin H. Oaks conference talk (I looked it up to get the quote right): In a BYU devotional several years ago, Elder Loren C. Dunn described how his father, a busy stake president in Tooele, gave his two young sons the responsibility of raising cows on the family farm. He gave the boys large latitude in what they could do, and they made some mistakes. These were observed by an alert neighbor, who complained to their father about what the young cow-raisers were doing. “Jim, you don’t understand,” President Dunn replied. “You see, I’m raising boys, not cows.” Consider this - why wouldn't the Creation be run on the exact same principles? From my observations, I've come to conclusion that "efficiency" is not that high on God's priority list. 1
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