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Popular Post Mystery Meat Posted July 12, 2016 Popular Post Posted July 12, 2016 10 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: I found this article about Bill Nye the "Science Guy" visiting Young Earth Creationist Ken Ham's "Noah’s Ark" theme park very interesting. Having once been a young earther myself, due to my LDS up bringing, I now find it so sad when I encounter people you live in the same ignorance that I once did. Here we are in the year 2016 and people still believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, was created in 6 literal days and that Noah had an ark with 2 of every species on board a boat that was undulated by a Universal Flood. These falsehoods could only exist in a system that places greater value in faith and belief than in actually finding the truth. http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/4106022-155/a-flood-of-contention-bill-nye So many strawman, so little time. 5
Popular Post Gray Posted July 12, 2016 Popular Post Posted July 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: I found this article about Bill Nye the "Science Guy" visiting Young Earth Creationist Ken Ham's "Noah’s Ark" theme park very interesting. Having once been a young earther myself, due to my LDS up bringing, I now find it so sad when I encounter people you live in the same ignorance that I once did. Here we are in the year 2016 and people still believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, was created in 6 literal days and that Noah had an ark with 2 of every species on board a boat that was undulated by a Universal Flood. These falsehoods could only exist in a system that places greater value in faith and belief than in actually finding the truth. http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/4106022-155/a-flood-of-contention-bill-nye While there are YEC advocates within the LDS church, I suspect they exist mostly due to influence from other fundamentalist denominations. 5
Popular Post bluebell Posted July 12, 2016 Popular Post Posted July 12, 2016 I can't like anyone who laments that teaching children a religion is brainwashing them. All parents teach their beliefs to the children. 13
Popular Post The Nehor Posted July 12, 2016 Popular Post Posted July 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: I found this article about Bill Nye the "Science Guy" visiting Young Earth Creationist Ken Ham's "Noah’s Ark" theme park very interesting. Having once been a young earther myself, due to my LDS up bringing, I now find it so sad when I encounter people you live in the same ignorance that I once did. Here we are in the year 2016 and people still believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, was created in 6 literal days and that Noah had an ark with 2 of every species on board a boat that was undulated by a Universal Flood. These falsehoods could only exist in a system that places greater value in faith and belief than in actually finding the truth. http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/4106022-155/a-flood-of-contention-bill-nye You poor thing. Carrying this cross of sadness and condescension must be a heavy burden. I will pray for you. 9
JLHPROF Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: Here we are in the year 2016 and people still believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, was created in 6 literal days These are two separate things. A day to the Lord is 1000 years. But regardless, science doesn't agree with any theological explanation. Quote and that Noah had an ark with 2 of every species on board a boat that was undulated by a Universal Flood. Again, an oversimplification of the theological, but a better explanation of the theological still wouldn't make any scientist a believer.
Johnnie Cake Posted July 12, 2016 Author Posted July 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said: So many strawman, so little time. What have I misrepresented? 2 minutes ago, Gray said: While there are YEC advocates within the LDS church, I suspect they exist mostly due to influence from other fundamentalist denominations. speaking only of my own experience I held two conflicting positions...that the earth was 6,000 years old due to my instruction in seminary, S.S. etc and a knowledge that dinosaurs existed for millions of years...the one belief was supported by scripture the other by fossils
UtahTexan Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 I really do feel sorry for you. I will keep you in my prayers.
USU78 Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 32 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: I found this article about Bill Nye the "Science Guy" visiting Young Earth Creationist Ken Ham's "Noah’s Ark" theme park very interesting. Having once been a young earther myself, due to my LDS up bringing, I now find it so sad when I encounter people you live in the same ignorance that I once did. Here we are in the year 2016 and people still believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, was created in 6 literal days and that Noah had an ark with 2 of every species on board a boat that was undulated by a Universal Flood. These falsehoods could only exist in a system that places greater value in faith and belief than in actually finding the truth. http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/4106022-155/a-flood-of-contention-bill-nye How many 14-year-old boys haven't already figured out and asked the same question? Nye's an idiot. 3
TheSkepticChristian Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, bluebell said: I can't like anyone who laments that teaching children a religion is brainwashing them. All parents teach their beliefs to the children. That is fine, no one is against that! Bill Nye is against indoctrination, there is a difference. and why can't you "like anyone who laments that teaching children a religion is brainwashing them"? that is also a belief, why can't you respect that belief? You only respect religious beliefs? Edited July 12, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
bluebell Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: That is fine, no one is against that! Bill Nye is against indoctrination, there is a difference. and why can't you "like anyone who laments that teaching children a religion is brainwashing them"? that is also a belief, why can't you respect that belief? You only respect religious beliefs? No I don't only respect religious beliefs. That doesn't change the fact that some beliefs are not worth respecting. What's the difference in your opinion between teaching your children your beliefs and indoctrinating your children in your beliefs? 2
Teancum Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Mystery Meat said: So many strawman, so little time. Really? Did Johnie Cake misrepresent Ham's position?
Teancum Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 2 hours ago, bluebell said: I can't like anyone who laments that teaching children a religion is brainwashing them. All parents teach their beliefs to the children. Which maybe ought to change.
Teancum Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 2 hours ago, CountryBoy said: I really do feel sorry for you. I will keep you in my prayers. More non answers.
Teancum Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 2 hours ago, USU78 said: How many 14-year-old boys haven't already figured out and asked the same question? Nye's an idiot. Nah. But you may be.
UtahTexan Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 30 minutes ago, Teancum said: More non answers. it was not meant to be an answer....so your response was expected: it had nothing to do with what I said. I just feel very bad for someone so unhappy.
bluebell Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 40 minutes ago, Teancum said: Which maybe ought to change. Do you have kids?
Teancum Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 15 minutes ago, bluebell said: Do you have kids? 4 children. 5 grandchildren. Why?
Vance Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 3 hours ago, USU78 said: Nye's an idiot. He is no scientist, that is for sure. Scientist are ALWAYS right, until they are proven wrong, then they change what they believe, then they return to being ALWAYS right. Rinse and repeat. 4
Thinking Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 4 hours ago, Mystery Meat said: So many strawmen, so little time. Pick just one and attack it.
TheSkepticChristian Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, bluebell said: No I don't only respect religious beliefs. That doesn't change the fact that some beliefs are not worth respecting. Why not? Is it a dangerous belief? 3 hours ago, bluebell said: What's the difference in your opinion between teaching your children your beliefs and indoctrinating your children in your beliefs? 1. teach them other points of view and other reasonable possibilities. 2. Don't tell them that all anti-Mormon literature is of the devil Edited July 13, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian
Bobbieaware Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 5 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: I found this article about Bill Nye the "Science Guy" visiting Young Earth Creationist Ken Ham's "Noah’s Ark" theme park very interesting. Having once been a young earther myself, due to my LDS up bringing, I now find it so sad when I encounter people you live in the same ignorance that I once did. Here we are in the year 2016 and people still believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, was created in 6 literal days and that Noah had an ark with 2 of every species on board a boat that was undulated by a Universal Flood. These falsehoods could only exist in a system that places greater value in faith and belief than in actually finding the truth. http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/4106022-155/a-flood-of-contention-bill-nye I think you meant to write inundated. I'm chuckling as I imagine the ark sexily undulating in the turbulent waters of the flood.
The Nehor Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Teancum said: Which maybe ought to change. Who would you suggest teach children instead of their family? The state? I really think we do not want to go down that road. It is almost cute how people imagine the world would be wonderful if only everyone was taught the same things. Cute and naive. All that being said I do despise that place as incompetent pseudoscience with delusions of grandeur but some people come up with cures worse then the disease.
bluebell Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Teancum said: 4 children. 5 grandchildren. Why? I was just sincerely wondering and couldn't remember.
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