The Ark of the Covenant Discovered in Panama

[JAHS]

19 minutes ago, Aron said:

there is no photoshop the Museum has items on display depending on the season and what exhibition is showing. The empty space you are refering to is a month when the floor of the museum was cleared for another event or exhibition. The Ark of the Covenant was only presented a couple of weeks ago to the public so that is why the new addition of furntiure or display cabnets exist in the Museum. If you see the video you can see the camera man reflection with crocs as that was good way to prove it could not be photoshop as Doctor Steuss had mentioned in an earlier post. As of the Foundation funding the Museum it is a government accredited foundation if you read in this link at http://www.fortdavidmuseum.com/christopher-columbus-exhibition/

the name of the foundation is Fundacion Castilla del Oro and you can find various credable News articles of the Muesum´s foundation in Spanish Noticies like this link at  http://laestrella.com.pa/sociales/gira-fundacion-castilla/23572997

Regarding the names of the archeoligists there are many listed in Hebrew and not in English. Please remember that this is a Spanish Judian discovery and those interested Speak Italian and Hebrew as well as Spanish they are listed under such different languages that it is very difficult to idenify names when translated in English. A good example the Pope John Paul II is not called that name in Latin America he is called Papa Juan Pablo II and in Italian he is called Papa Giovanni Paolo II (in latino: Ioannes Paulus PP. II, in Polish: Jan Paweł II, and this goes the same as those on our Museum list working and dedicating their lives to the archeology of pre-colombian artifacts.

so when attacking an institution or organisation calling people fraud, scam, hoax, these words are only suitable if you have proven without a shadow of doubt, because your limited investigation in English had not proven anything other than it has not come up with what you were searching for. Please remember the same poison is being used to attack the crediability of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon by the anti-Mormon mob. Narrow mindedness causes discrimination and we need to always give people the benefit of the doubt until such time as we have undenial proof to judge and make a sentance on an organisation.

You will be amazed how much information is not registered in english on the internet about many issues Americans are oblivious to.

Just looking at the artifacts; the ark, scrolls and leopard skin,  I can tell they were made yesterday; not thousands of years ago. 

[Calm]

Yes, there is quite a bit of links and credible support for the actual museum.

I am stating the Ark of the Covenant aspect is a scam.  If its display was an event a few weeks ago, why isn't it mention in the "News" or other sections of the website.

[Calm]

As to lack of info...there is info about a number of other things going on at Graceland Castle and the museum.  Why is something so important as the Ark not mentioned at all when other current stuff is?

[Aron]

4 minutes ago, JAHS said:

Just looking at the artifacts; the ark, scrolls and leopard skin,  I can tell they were made yesterday; not thousands of years ago. 

well that is where you are wrong. because all those scrolls are well preserved because they were kept in the mummfied sarcophagus of the ancient cave and tomb of Cacique El Quibían Malchia.

You will be a amazed what can be preserved in sealed golden chests. and especially when the tomb is volcanic walls solid and cool tempature all year round. I guarantee you from our carbon dating tests there is evidence to prove the scrolls are over 2000 years old. You cannot compare the skins of the Dead sea scrolls with these scrolls from the Cacique tomb in Panama because the dead sea scrolls were left in a very poor state of deterioration caused from being exposed with very light ceramic vessels that could not preserve skin parchments that well. And because of the enviroment of harsh climate in the dead sea desert in caves that were not sealed and protected but were vulnerable to the hot and cold changes of the weather in the desert. So just from looking at something looked after in a sealed golden chest in a seal tomb made of volcanic rock and comparing it to something that was terribly deteriorated by the harsh climate being completly exposed to desert weather is not being objective. Clothing from the ancient Egyptian pyramids that were in sarcophagus sealed with gold are also well preserved. so you have to understand there are many different type of levels of preservation of fabrics, leather depending on how well they were preserved.

[Aron]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

Given the other exhibition displayed on the official site, it looks like that area is part of the commercial side of Graceland Castle.  Dumping the Ark of the Covenant in the middle of the room with no special setup is ridiculous.  Even a potsherd would have received more attention.

 

1 hour ago, Calm said:

From the official website, notice the empty space in the photos along the bottom which is the room where the alleged ark looks like it has been photoshopped into:

http://www.fortdavidmuseum.com/gallery/

 

Hi Calm we just made a video for you we are holding a paper with the name CALM on it just to prove its not photoshop please see the crocs on the feet and the sign with the words Hello CALM dulce de labris loquuntur, corde vivunt noxio

 

[Aron]

15 minutes ago, Calm said:

As to lack of info...there is info about a number of other things going on at Graceland Castle and the museum.  Why is something so important as the Ark not mentioned at all when other current stuff is?

the main reason we have been using so much discretion is to protect the site from theft and also until the archeologists had made a perfect identification and investigation of the interpretation of the scrolls to prove they are officially what came from Jerusalem.

[Calm]

Okay, I am impressed.  And laughing (not mocking, I think it's great you were willing to do it, makes this much more fun).  I will be showing it to my family.

I will look forward to seeing offical reports, the scholars' names in some other context etc.  

You have not convinced me this is anything but a replica yet, but I will give you more time before stamping the whole thing "scam".

It would be fantastic if real.

[Aron]

9 minutes ago, Calm said:

Okay, I am impressed.  And laughing (not mocking, I think it's great you were willing to do it, makes this much more fun).  I will be showing it to my family.

I will look forward to seeing offical reports, the scholars' names in some other context etc.  

You have not convinced me this is anything but a replica yet, but I will give you more time before stamping the whole thing "scam".

It would be fantastic if real.

One of the reasons why we have started with your forum to present the Ark of the Covenant before we launch into a full media campaign is because we value this blog as a good crediable source of infomation. We are not English speaking people and so excuse me for my bad english writings but we can try our best to explain to you the things that is important. If you remember that when Noah was building his Ark every one laughed and mocked him and so we expect such a important discovery like this we would also find negative reactions but just like the rain came and only then did the people believe but it was unfortunatley too late. You should not wait till the cows come home to prove if it is the real Ark of the Covenant you should ask yourself if it is time for God to reveal the Ark of the covenant. We are coming up to the 70th Anniversay of the state of Israel many interesting things are beginning to be unearthed.

[The Nehor]

6 minutes ago, Aron said:

One of the reasons why we have started with your forum to present the Ark of the Covenant before we launch into a full media campaign is because we value this blog as a good crediable source of infomation. We are not English speaking people and so excuse me for my bad english writings but we can try our best to explain to you the things that is important. If you remember that when Noah was building his Ark every one laughed and mocked him and so we expect such a important discovery like this we would also find negative reactions but just like the rain came and only then did the people believe but it was unfortunatley too late. You should not wait till the cows come home to prove if it is the real Ark of the Covenant you should ask yourself if it is time for God to reveal the Ark of the covenant. We are coming up to the 70th Anniversay of the state of Israel many interesting things are beginning to be unearthed.

Still a scam. I realize you are trying to build credibility for some reason. Just not sure why. Prestige? Money? Desperate for attention?

Also, why not show the whole ark instead of just a small corner in your video? Definitely looks like a replica though.

Edited July 1, 2016 by The Nehor

[JAHS]

32 minutes ago, Aron said:

well that is where you are wrong. because all those scrolls are well preserved because they were kept in the mummfied sarcophagus of the ancient cave and tomb of Cacique El Quibían Malchia.

You will be a amazed what can be preserved in sealed golden chests. and especially when the tomb is volcanic walls solid and cool tempature all year round. I guarantee you from our carbon dating tests there is evidence to prove the scrolls are over 2000 years old. You cannot compare the skins of the Dead sea scrolls with these scrolls from the Cacique tomb in Panama because the dead sea scrolls were left in a very poor state of deterioration caused from being exposed with very light ceramic vessels that could not preserve skin parchments that well. And because of the enviroment of harsh climate in the dead sea desert in caves that were not sealed and protected but were vulnerable to the hot and cold changes of the weather in the desert. So just from looking at something looked after in a sealed golden chest in a seal tomb made of volcanic rock and comparing it to something that was terribly deteriorated by the harsh climate being completly exposed to desert weather is not being objective. Clothing from the ancient Egyptian pyramids that were in sarcophagus sealed with gold are also well preserved. so you have to understand there are many different type of levels of preservation of fabrics, leather depending on how well they were preserved.

Any specific evidence that would lead you to conclude that this is "THE" ark that the Israelites carried as told in the Bible? Supposedly it contained the ten commandments tablets, the rod of Aaron, and a pot of manna. 

[Aron]

6 minutes ago, JAHS said:

Any specific evidence that would lead you to conclude that this is "THE" ark that the Israelites carried as told in the Bible? Supposedly it contained the ten commandments tablets, the rod of Aaron, and a pot of manna. 

Inside the Ark of the Covenant

The discovery of the Ten Commandments was found inside the Ark of the Covenant. The two sets of tablets have the same shape however one is cut by hand using traditional ancient methods of stone masonry and the other shattered tablets are made by an unknown method which seems to have the high quality finish compared only to a modern advance laser stone cutting tool.

"The first set of the stone tablets (shattered) of the Law were each in the shape of a cube made of sapir (sapphire/lapis lazuli; the same material the 'pavement' before God's throne is likened to in Exodus 24:10). The actual sizes of the stone tablets in our possession today are 50 centimeters long and 25 centimeters wide or 20 inches by 10 inches."

 

The four sides of the stone tablets all have the writings scratched into stone.

We cannot say from what source the writings scratched on stone were engraved, obviously scientific reasoning would not suggest as an expert opinion that the supernatural finger of God was used to scratch the Ten Commandments on stone, however we still do not know the device used in making the Machu Picchu stones that were cut so precisely, and wedged so closely together that a credit card cannot be inserted between them. There are mysteries we cannot at this time explain without further investigation of new evidence.

If we were to say it was God´s finger that made the stone tablets the first time and it was God that wrote on both tablets or whether it was Moses´s hands; one thing is for sure both sets of the stone tablets are not engraved with a chisel or deep engravings by supernatural force but instead the Ten Commandments were scratched into the stones.

The writings are light superficial scratches and not deep sculptured letters used by a chisel.

The religious anthropologists claim it is the pointer finger of God and God used His finger nail to scratch into the stone tablets.

The ancient tools used to form the second set of stone tablets were not used to chisel out the letters onto the stone tablets and for one very good reason because the slate lapis lazuli stone will shatter if you tried hitting the center of the tablet with a chisel.

Unlike other stone surfaces the mineral lapis lazuli is not strong enough to withstand constant blows of a mallet and chisel and this is why it was easy for Moses to shatter the first tablets when he threw the stone tablets on the ground.

Egyptians were using lapis lazuli as evidence of this mineral was found in ancient Egyptian artifacts such as Tutankhamun's mask, also known as the funerary mask of Tutankhamun. There were traces of lapis lazuli used in features such as the eye brows and other features of the funerary mask that dates back to (1341–1323 BC).

Lapis lazuli was also used in ancient Mesopotamia by the Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians for seals and jewelry. In the Mesopotamian poem the Epic of Gilgamesh (17th-18th Century BC), one of the oldest known works of literature, lapis lazuli is mentioned several times. The Statue of Ebih-Il, a 3rd millennium BC statue found in the ancient city-state of Mari in modern-day Syria, now in the Louvre, uses lapis lazuli inlays for the irises of the eyes.

Lapis lazuli was also used in ancient Egypt, where it was a favorite stone for amulets and ornaments such as scarabs; Lapis jewelry has been found at excavations of the Predynastic Egyptian site Naqada (3300–3100 BC). At Karnak, the relief carvings of Thutmose III (1479-1429 BC) show fragments and barrel-shaped pieces of lapis lazuli being delivered to him as tribute. Powdered lapis was used as eyeshadow by Cleopatra.

Other stones have a strong stress capacity that will not break on impact just from throwing them down on the ground.

 However lapis lazuli is not completely fragile but it is not resistant to heavy intense hitting of a sharp object like a chisel.

The two sets of tablets both weighed very close together because they are roughly the same size and thickness and there is a slight difference in weight but to compare both sets of tablets the shattered set and the man made set are both very close in the scales.

 

 

 

 

 

[JLHPROF]

1 hour ago, Aron said:

Inside the Ark of the Covenant

The discovery of the Ten Commandments was found inside the Ark of the Covenant. The two sets of tablets have the same shape however one is cut by hand using traditional ancient methods of stone masonry and the other shattered tablets are made by an unknown method which seems to have the high quality finish compared only to a modern advance laser stone cutting tool.

[Calm]

Aron, my husband would like to know if the Mulekites had the goat parchment scrolls as records just as the Lehites had the brass plates, why did they lose their language, etc?

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, Aron said:

Inside the Ark of the Covenant

The discovery of the Ten Commandments was found inside the Ark of the Covenant. The two sets of tablets have the same shape however one is cut by hand using traditional ancient methods of stone masonry and the other shattered tablets are made by an unknown method which seems to have the high quality finish compared only to a modern advance laser stone cutting tool.

"The first set of the stone tablets (shattered) of the Law were each in the shape of a cube made of sapir (sapphire/lapis lazuli; the same material the 'pavement' before God's throne is likened to in Exodus 24:10). The actual sizes of the stone tablets in our possession today are 50 centimeters long and 25 centimeters wide or 20 inches by 10 inches."

 

 

The four sides of the stone tablets all have the writings scratched into stone.

We cannot say from what source the writings scratched on stone were engraved, obviously scientific reasoning would not suggest as an expert opinion that the supernatural finger of God was used to scratch the Ten Commandments on stone, however we still do not know the device used in making the Machu Picchu stones that were cut so precisely, and wedged so closely together that a credit card cannot be inserted between them. There are mysteries we cannot at this time explain without further investigation of new evidence.

If we were to say it was God´s finger that made the stone tablets the first time and it was God that wrote on both tablets or whether it was Moses´s hands; one thing is for sure both sets of the stone tablets are not engraved with a chisel or deep engravings by supernatural force but instead the Ten Commandments were scratched into the stones.

The writings are light superficial scratches and not deep sculptured letters used by a chisel.

The religious anthropologists claim it is the pointer finger of God and God used His finger nail to scratch into the stone tablets.

The ancient tools used to form the second set of stone tablets were not used to chisel out the letters onto the stone tablets and for one very good reason because the slate lapis lazuli stone will shatter if you tried hitting the center of the tablet with a chisel.

Unlike other stone surfaces the mineral lapis lazuli is not strong enough to withstand constant blows of a mallet and chisel and this is why it was easy for Moses to shatter the first tablets when he threw the stone tablets on the ground.

Egyptians were using lapis lazuli as evidence of this mineral was found in ancient Egyptian artifacts such as Tutankhamun's mask, also known as the funerary mask of Tutankhamun. There were traces of lapis lazuli used in features such as the eye brows and other features of the funerary mask that dates back to (1341–1323 BC).

Lapis lazuli was also used in ancient Mesopotamia by the Akkadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians for seals and jewelry. In the Mesopotamian poem the Epic of Gilgamesh (17th-18th Century BC), one of the oldest known works of literature, lapis lazuli is mentioned several times. The Statue of Ebih-Il, a 3rd millennium BC statue found in the ancient city-state of Mari in modern-day Syria, now in the Louvre, uses lapis lazuli inlays for the irises of the eyes.

Lapis lazuli was also used in ancient Egypt, where it was a favorite stone for amulets and ornaments such as scarabs; Lapis jewelry has been found at excavations of the Predynastic Egyptian site Naqada (3300–3100 BC). At Karnak, the relief carvings of Thutmose III (1479-1429 BC) show fragments and barrel-shaped pieces of lapis lazuli being delivered to him as tribute. Powdered lapis was used as eyeshadow by Cleopatra.

Other stones have a strong stress capacity that will not break on impact just from throwing them down on the ground.

 However lapis lazuli is not completely fragile but it is not resistant to heavy intense hitting of a sharp object like a chisel.

The two sets of tablets both weighed very close together because they are roughly the same size and thickness and there is a slight difference in weight but to compare both sets of tablets the shattered set and the man made set are both very close in the scales.

Your dedication to your hoax is impressive but your insane explanations are not shoring up this ridiculousness.

[sdrencure]

Hi Aron!  This topic is fascinating!  Could I call you?  Can you send me a phone number or email?  Or can you contact me at 734 224 2242 or sdrencure@gmail.com?  Thanks!  Scott

[Calm]

The board lists his last visit as August 1, if you want to get in touch with him this probably isn't th best way.

[sdrencure]

Hi Calm:

Thanks for your reply, and good point if August 1st was his last activity.  I wonder if Aron is "Samuel Aron Weinstein"?  You probably don't have any ideas on how to get a hold of Aron, right?

Thanks again for your quick reply!

Scott

[sdrencure]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

The board lists his last visit as August 1, if you want to get in touch with him this probably isn't th best way.

Hi Calm:

Not knowing much about Mormon Dialogue, I suppose my last response should have quoted you like this -- not sure if this will flag it for your attention.  My question was rather simple -- you probably don't have any ideas on how to get a hold of Aron, right?

Thanks!

Scott

 

[Calm]

Well, my only contact with him was this site and I think you have probably read all the stuff he posted.  You might try contacting him through the YouTube site he posted links to.  I have never done it, but it looks like conversations can take place there.

I don't 'follow' responses because I read the board more than I do my email, lol and the ping of emails make me nervous these days since all my mom's stuff gets handled that way (being an accountant or in any way someone else's money manager is definitely on the bottom of my career choice, I would rather clean toilets).  You can try PMing me if I don't respond in a thread though.  You might have to have 25 posts to use the message system.

Edited November 14, 2016 by Calm

[ERayR]

On 6/29/2016 at 3:54 PM, Doctor Steuss said:

I caught the reflection of some footwear in one of the display cases.  As a general rule, I distrust researchers that wear Crocs.  Thus far, the rule has served me well.

And what, may I ask, is wrong with Crocs?

[strappinglad]

15 hours ago, ERayR said:

And what, may I ask, is wrong with Crocs?

Yes, I understand they are quite ' snappy ' .